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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Michael Marra

I think that other members will have a general concern for the welfare of those young people. Also, the secure care sector in Scotland depends on the money that comes from cross-border placements. In evidence given to the Parliament Rossie Young People’s Trust said that approximately 50 per cent of the current cohort of young people are cross-border placements. If your stated intention is delivered, how do you imagine that the sector will continue to be able to meet its costs?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Michael Marra

What allowance have you made within the financial memorandum cost for a secure care place at the moment and what will that cost be after the legislation has passed? Is there a difference between the two?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Michael Marra

We appear to have lost Professor Flinders. Perhaps Steve Martin could answer Michelle Thomson’s question.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Michael Marra

In their recent book on the role of consultancy firms in government, Mariana Mazzucato and Rosie Collington say:

“The more governments and businesses outsource, the less they know how to do.”

Does that ring true to you?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Michael Marra

Sophie, do you have thoughts on this area?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Michael Marra

On your point about putting the last-bed policy in place for 2023-24, is the funding for the policy continuing or has it expired?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Michael Marra

In the absence of any remedy, do you have any idea what will happen to those young people? You are going to lobby for a remedy, and I understand that and agree with you that England should change what it is doing, but if that remedy is not forthcoming, what happens to those young people?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Michael Marra

I recognise the difference between a young offenders institute and secure care and the difference in cost, but my question is about whether you are still working with that stable cost of £6,500 for a secure care placement after the legislation is passed. Is that correct? You do not see the allowance increasing. Tom McNamara, can you provide that clarity?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Michael Marra

I—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Michael Marra

The last-bed pilot scheme is about ensuring that there is emergency surge capacity. That is to ensure that, if there is a dispensation and a young person is sent to a secure care unit, there will be a space—that the place will not be full. However, the evidence that the Parliament has had relates to up to 50 per cent of the current cohort—it is not about one bed or the fact that the place is full; I am talking about financial sustainability, as I think that we all are, minister—but there is nothing in the financial memorandum to recognise the removal of that revenue from your policy intent. Is that correct?