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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

The committee heard evidence that, when the SPCB was first devised, it was not in its broad terms of reference that it would manage and scrutinise multiple organisations. It has, we believe, 1.4 members of staff to examine the budgets. They do not have the capacity to do the work that the Government has asked them to do.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

Unless we need them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

So you think that it should be spending more of that money on commissioners, rather than—

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

To be fair, it was not my amendment and I was not asking for that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

I was not asking for anybody to carry that out. I am probing the understanding of what the corporate body does. The committee has heard significant concerns from members of the corporate body about not only their capacity but the locus that they have to undertake those roles appropriately. They do not have the capacity to do it. It seems to me that, with the commissioners, the thinking is, “We don’t really know where to put this, so it will go there.” The result is that the SPCB role is growing like Topsy, but it does not have the capacity to do it.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

It is not everything; I was just saying that there are a few things that have been difficult for the Government that it has parked in this place. Anyway, I will move on.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

But the Government must see a limit to that point, where it says that we cannot just continue to bestow functions and responsibilities upon a limited body and ask it to continue undertaking that work for ever.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

You have validated that approach and said that it is the right thing for lobbyists and others to advocate for a new commissioner. Is it not the role of the Government to say no?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 28 May 2024

Michael Marra

It is not really up to him in that regard.

As we have gone through this process, looking at what is almost a taxonomy of the different forms of commissioner and, at the start, rejecting the word itself as being pretty useless—it does not really describe the landscape, which is, as John Mason pointed out, so diverse—we have focused quite a lot on issues of advocacy and rights-based areas.

We also have technical commissioners, in particular, the Scottish Biometrics Commissioner. In evidence to the committee, Dr Brian Plastow said:

“I have been in post for three years. I have been called before the committee once in three years and that was to discuss the passing of the statutory code of practice back in 2022. In those three years, I have submitted seven reports to Parliament: two annual reports and accounts, one operational report, a code of practice and three separate assurance reviews. My expectation would have been to have been called before the Criminal Justice Committee more often than I have been”.—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 30 April 2024; c 14.]

Do you have any reflections on that with regard to whether the system is fit for purpose?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 28 May 2024

Michael Marra

There is a point here about technical expertise. To my mind, there is a distinction where Parliament is establishing a commissioner to deal with something that we would not necessarily have the technical expertise to deal with, but which is required to analyse something. For instance, I could easily see a role for a commissioner for artificial intelligence, which would be in the public domain, to understand where closed algorithms are used within public services and how that relates to public policy and a time-limited group of things that we cannot do. There is also a question there about whether we have the technical capacity to scrutinise.