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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Is there an agreement between you and the university, to which you are a signatory? Do you understand why this is a reasonable line of questioning, given all that has gone before?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Not rapidly enough—but we will come back to that.

There is a mismatch between the fragility of the university’s finances, which you have both described during the evidence session as a long-term structural problem, and betting the house—the whole thing—on growth. The people who are now paying the price are the at least 300 people, and potentially many more, who are losing their jobs en masse. Was that not a catastrophic bet that was placed by you as the chief operating officer, as well as by the finance director and the principal?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

That was subsequent, but the public warnings from Universities UK and others were made prior to that, were they not?

I had a direct conversation with Professor Shane O’Neill, who told me that there was a perception within the university executive group that, for some reason, Dundee would buck the trend and would be different from other universities that were experiencing large collapses in recruitment. Is it not the case that you just thought that, for some reason, Dundee university would be different?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

That strategic bet was a massive failure on the part of all three of you and the rest of the executive, was it not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

You were responsible for the budgeting of professional services in the institution, on both the expenditure side and the savings side. Am I right?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

That paper has to be signed off by the UEG before it goes to court, does it not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

The strategy was wrong.

I wish to ask, in particular, about the allocation of the money from Exscientia. A commentary in the Gillies report describes a complete lack of clarity as to how that money was allocated. Mr Fotheringham, how did you understand the exit from the Exscientia company and where or whether that money was earmarked?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Dr McGeorge, did you believe that that money had been ring fenced?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Thank you for picking that up, convener.

The core of the issue is that there was a minute of the audit and risk committee meeting that set out a series of untruths that was—according to you—prepared by the finance team, which was signed off by the UEG and sent to court. At some point before 12 November, the game was up, and you had to confess that what had been stated was untrue. Is that not the case?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Were you surprised when it turned out that it had been spent?