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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 12 November 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 9 September 2026

Michael Marra

Last week, the Scottish Fiscal Commission told the committee what it perceived its likely role would be in that process. I found some of that evidence slightly concerning. The commission would have a role in making projections on the Government’s broad budgetary position on income and expenditure, but it would also have to adopt a position of neutrality, given that it would not want to comment on a market-sensitive issue such as the likely issuing of a bond. Is the infrastructure relating to the budgetary pressures resulting from the issuing of a bond accounted for in Scotland’s current fiscal apparatus?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 9 September 2026

Michael Marra

Okay. That is appreciated.

Mr Boyd, you also said in your submission that

“There is a danger that overly optimistic assumptions on the potential fiscal benefits of reform measures might push back a more clear eyed”

view of what might need to happen.

I ask all three of you to reflect on some of the measures set out in last week’s programme for government. Thinking of health boards in the first instance, do you have any clarity as to whether those measures will contribute to savings to meet the deficit, or are they actually all about changing the delivery mechanism and improving outcomes?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 9 September 2026

Michael Marra

I am sorry. That is a useful clarification. Is there any other input on that? Stephen Boyd?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 9 September 2026

Michael Marra

Sorry, but did you say the permanent secretary to the Scottish Office?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 9 September 2026

Michael Marra

Can I push you on one point? Given your experience as a long-term observer of these processes, is there a risk about the up-front costs of reorganisation? For example, there were significant up-front costs for a number of years when Scotland moved to having a single police service. Might we see any reorganisation costing money rather than saving it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 9 September 2026

Michael Marra

Dr Sousa, during the election campaign, the IFS said:

“the SNP manifesto pledges additional spending—costing an estimated £1.4 billion a year by 2031-32—without credibly saying how it would pay for this.”

Do you have any sight of how that spending will be paid for, and, for clarity in our examination of the budget, is that in addition to the MTFS’s identified £5 billion gap?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 9 September 2026

Michael Marra

I will take a quick step backwards. The deputy convener identified the scale of the adjustments that will be necessary. Stephen Boyd, you made some comments in your submission about where those will fall. In essence, because there are parts of the budget that are protected, such as health spending growth and the number of front-line workers, you set out that certain sectors could have a staffing reduction of 13 per cent by 2029-30. Will you expand a bit on the differential impact that those cuts could have?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 9 September 2026

Michael Marra

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 9 September 2026

Michael Marra

Do you generally agree on the issue of sustainability and lack of clarity, Dr Sousa?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 9 September 2026

Michael Marra

On that point, you mentioned savings in the NHS. In session 6, the committee found it difficult to get clarity about how those savings pertain to the deficit. There was talk about those savings being reinvested in health boards, most likely to try to meet the 26-week waiting time target, and about other savings being returned to the front line. Is there clarity about whether those savings should contribute to reducing the overall £5 billion deficit or whether they should be used to fund the expansion of provision?