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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Michael Marra

You will be under the same pressures.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Michael Marra

That is really useful.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Michael Marra

David Page, you mentioned a blue-light review. I have seen reports in the press in recent days on the reaction of the Metropolitan Police to the rising tide of mental health problems. I go back to my point about external factors and adjusting public services. The Met’s response has been to say that it is no longer going to attend mental health crises. Do you think that we might see a similar response in Scotland?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Michael Marra

Based on the submissions and what has been said today, I am interested to hear what drives reform. We have heard about Brexit and there has been an awful lot of talk about budgets. The Scottish Government has to meet the budget gap and push reform using that budget. Are there other things that we want to achieve through that? Are we adapting to demographics, climate and technology, or only to the negative reactive drivers? Are we being strategic?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Michael Marra

I am hearing what is pretty welcome consensus among all of you—it was also in the submissions that we received—about a need for urgency. You have all described similar drivers for why that should happen. So far, I am hearing a pretty comprehensive rejection of the previous Deputy First Minister’s approach of saying, “We can just let folk get on with this.” There is recognition that there needs to be some kind of intent. I ask all of you why that is not happening and has not happened.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Michael Marra

I reject that slightly, because it feels to me that the nub of the question is this: what do you identify as being the restrictions that are preventing that from happening?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Michael Marra

Can I challenge you a little bit on that? The approach taken in Scotland to closing the attainment gap, for example, was to ring fence a certain amount of money to go into pupil equity funds rather than change the way that things were delivered. Where the approach worked, in the areas that the former First Minister went to study in London and New York, there was a significant policy change and a change in the way that public services were organised. She rejected that and went for a cash injection. Other places perhaps have more of an appetite for reform. Why was that choice made here?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Convener

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Michael Marra

Good morning, and welcome to the 15th meeting in 2023 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. Apologies have been received from the committee’s new member, Keith Brown, who attended our past couple of meetings as substitute. On behalf of the committee, I put on record our thanks to Kenneth Gibson for his hard work and the support that he has given to the committee in his role as convener over the past two years.

The first item on our agenda is to choose a new convener. Parliament has agreed that only members of the Scottish National Party are eligible for nomination as convener of the committee. I ask any member to make a nomination.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Michael Marra

I want to push you a little bit on what you said earlier about innovation in our response to Covid. One issue related to the availability of methadone for people with drug and substance addictions. They could take it home rather than having to attend a chemist, and that became far more widespread. Part of my worry about that policy is its elasticity, because things have bounced back. Is there a reason why our system has pulled back from such innovations and is now saying that, in fact, we want to retreat back to the norm?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Michael Marra

My final question is about your sense of those fundamental blockages. I agree with Alison Payne; I do not think that Scots are averse to reform and change. There is absolutely nothing in our national character or the way that we do things to suggest that; it is something in our politics and structures. Is there anything that is changing those blockages at the moment, or is there potential for change? You have talked about increasing demand, but is there something to give us some hope that there might be a change in the political and structural set-up?