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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Michael Marra

You mentioned changes in the number of children going into placements. Removing young people from their families and putting them into placements is a very expensive thing to do. If fewer children are put into placements, will there be an increase in support for social workers to work with children who are not in placements? When you are balancing that budget and, hopefully, reducing the cost on one side, are you seeing a linked increase in the resource for social workers to work with children who are kept in-house? That must be a live discussion at the moment.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Michael Marra

Okay—that is fine.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Michael Marra

In his campaign to become First Minister, the First Minister made a pledge on childcare. Is it right to say that that can be delivered only if there are further cuts? That is what headroom is.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Michael Marra

That is my point—the Scottish Government is waiting for something to come along. The Institute of Fiscal Studies, the Scottish Parliament information centre and the Fraser of Allander Institute have commented on the size of the gap and the fact that there seems to be no indication of a strategy on it. They say that the Government’s approach to how the gap might be closed does not feel very strategic. You are also highlighting that there might be further consequentials that will allow us to do some of the things that we have already committed to doing. Does that not—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Michael Marra

That is not much more specific.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Michael Marra

Okay—that is fair. That meeting is obviously of significant interest to the committee.

I will pick up on a point that was made earlier about the relative competitiveness of council tax rates. It sometimes feels as though that aspect is commented on less often. For example, over the past few years in our home city of Dundee there has been a cut of 180 in the number of teachers, and the number of additional support needs teachers has dropped from 165 to 93. A cut in attainment challenge funding has resulted in 22 posts being lost, including speech therapists in nurseries and schools. Those are all significant issues. Does not having a supposedly competitive rate of council tax therefore incur real costs for some of our most vulnerable people?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Michael Marra

I am interested in the specifics of how that would work. Between 2010 and 2022, the number of additional support needs teachers in Dundee dropped from 165 to 93—it almost halved. It is about the balance. The other week, the report from the national discussion on education said that, in essence, there is a crisis in additional support needs teaching across the country. That is one of the principal concerns of the whole education system—from children, to their parents and families, to teachers. How can we drive through the kind of change that you are talking about in relation to fiscal arrangements to ensure that we address that problem? Surely that trend cannot be allowed to continue.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Michael Marra

I am taking that answer as a yes. It is important to have clarity, given the frank lack of clarity from the permanent secretary, whose department seems to be pursuing a particular trajectory, but who said that he had no clarity on the stated policy of the Government. It might be useful if that were stated in clear terms. Am I correct in saying that your answer is yes?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Michael Marra

Okay—thank you.

Do you have a date for a meeting on the fiscal framework with ministers from the UK Government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Michael Marra

So, the “blunt tool”, as you put it, that was used by your predecessor, Kate Forbes, has been dropped.