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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 October 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michael Marra

Good morning, colleagues. Starting with the fiscal sustainability delivery plan, Mr Robinson, I note that you mention in your submission several areas where you think that more detail is required on the policy specifics. Can you say a little bit about those areas for the committee?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michael Marra

My question is on the point that Michael Kellet just made about the relationship with the core health spend. You are saying that it does not all go in one direction. However, surely, if there is a cut—for instance, the financial sustainable delivery plan proposes a 3 per cent annualised cut for health boards—there will be an impact on public health. As an organisation, do you have any clarity on what that 3 per cent cut means, how it will be driven through and whether it will impact your own activities?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michael Marra

I should start by saying that, compared with the convener, I have fewer concerns about my eyesight.

What do you believe are the most significant medium-term risks to the Scottish economy?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michael Marra

Thank you.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michael Marra

The committee is very much cognisant of the fact that the fiscal situation has been very volatile in previous years, but I would note that the document is written as a list of actions to be taken in the short run instead of, say, looking at tolerance, setting out some list of assumptions or any analysis of the background or saying, for example, “If we assume productivity growth of such and such per cent versus whatever, it allows us to obtain this output for that input.” It is—and I realise that this was part of the commentary from both of you—very much focused on inputs rather than outputs; in other words, it is really about managing the top level instead of seeing what the outcome is. Is that a fair description?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michael Marra

That relates to the operational side of things, and I do not think that we have any clarity on any of that. However, the more macro issue is that this “3% recurring savings” action has been written into the document almost as an assumption that those savings will be made in order to meet a target—that is, this £1 billion target that seems to have been set—while, at the same time, it is assumed that health spend will continue to grow. Do you have an understanding of how those two things interact?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michael Marra

Given that commentary, and given your concerns about the programmes, if, during the budget period, the cabinet secretary were to say to us, “This £1 billion cut has been baked in to close the gap,” would that be an acceptable approach from the Government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michael Marra

Finally, on the MTFS, I think that Mr Sousa mentioned the lack of prioritisation that the convener highlighted; indeed, I think that both of you referred to it in your submissions. Mr Sousa, you say that assuming no prioritisation cannot

“in practice ... really be true, and the MTFS thus continues to seem more like a political statement to manage expectations across the public sector rather than a true setting of the course of public finances”.

Is that a tenable position for the Government to take? Should we see that in the spending review when it is published? Do we need to see some departure in approach to the management of those public accounts?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michael Marra

We all recognise that the external funding situation has been volatile globally for a long time now. However, what the UK Government and, we are told, the Scottish Government are trying to do through the spending review process is to add some form of medium-term stability for organisations. What has SCVO’s involvement in the spending review process been? Have you been brought into conversations about the process and what you see as likely outcomes of it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michael Marra

So, you have no real sight of the process. You are a key partner in the delivery of some services and you are asking for some form of stability around that. It strikes me that, if multiyear funding does not happen in this spending review, it will never happen under this Government. This is the period where there is foresight of three years across UK Government funding. We are told that that should be stable—although there are always events and all that comes with those—so now is surely the opportunity.