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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Michael Marra

It just feels very short term to me. You have described previous long-term decisions about poverty and the health of the country, but it feels that much in this budget is about dealing with immediate threats instead of thinking about the long term.

I see you nodding, Professor Bell. Is that your assumption, too?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Michael Marra

That applies to both Governments.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Michael Marra

I know that, in the past, the Joseph Rowntree Foundation has been very keen on the parental employability support fund, but the social security secretary has said:

“I am afraid that the ... fund has just run its course as a concept.”—[Official Report, Social Justice and Social Security Committee, 14 September 2023; c 14.]

Do you have any reflections on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Michael Marra

We have highlighted the cut to capital spending that is made in the budget—it is a cut of some £400 million. [Interruption.] The exact figure is £484 million—thank you for that, convener. The First Minister was talking about spending four times that amount. Is it realistic to say that, if we put that money back and added three times that amount, we could produce double-digit growth rates in Scotland? Is that realistic, Dr Sousa? If that would be possible, that is something that the committee might want to recommend. Could we find that money and achieve 10 per cent growth in Scotland?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Michael Marra

Chris Birt, do you have any thoughts on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Michael Marra

The committee has encountered challenges in finding any strategic approach to public sector reform. Keir Greenaway is right. It is clear that what you talked about is happening everywhere. Every organisation is having to react rather than taking a strategic approach.

We took evidence from the permanent secretary, who said that he did not understand, or was not aware of, the current Government’s approach to public sector reform. The resource spending review was dropped, but it seems to be back on the table. Do the witnesses—Audit Scotland and Martin Booth in particular—have clarity about where the approach is headed, given what they have heard from the Deputy First Minister?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Michael Marra

On that point—I am also reflecting on what we heard in the previous evidence session—we have long-term targets around reducing child poverty, climate change et cetera, but it feels like the budget is much more short term and that it does not consider the long-term priorities that the Government has set out, or how we will reach the targets. The implementation gap has been much commented on. It would be interesting to hear colleagues’ comments and views on the rhetoric and political language and whether they see the priorities reflected in what comes forward.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Michael Marra

That was not the case in the 1990s, when China had double-digit growth rates, which is what the First Minister’s comparison was with. That is what would be required to raise the level of income in this country to the level that the First Minister has suggested.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Michael Marra

Since the budget was announced, the cuts to housing programmes have been commented on. The Fraser of Allander Institute has highlighted that in its work. The affordable housing supply programme is being cut by more than 30 per cent in real terms, on top of a cut of more than 10 per cent last year. The housing support and homelessness budget is down by 5 per cent, and the local government capital budget is down by more than 20 per cent, which is happening at a time when cities are declaring housing emergencies. Dr Sousa, could you pick up on the broader impact of that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Michael Marra

Do you want to respond, Dr Sousa?