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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 27 May 2025
Michael Marra
Mr Pugh, how would you describe your role in relation to acting on behalf of health boards in the Covid inquiry? What are you attempting to achieve for your clients?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 27 May 2025
Michael Marra
When you talk about the fairness of the procedure, is that about the liabilities of a health board for decisions that it might have taken and wanting to keep it aware of how the issues and evidence that are raised might pertain to future legal action?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 27 May 2025
Michael Marra
I would have thought that a lot of the public who were viewing the Covid inquiry would have found it to feel quite adversarial, with Jamie Dawson KC standing there and asking very pointed questions of a variety of different people. I am not denying the part about getting to the truth, but if you have lots of interested parties who are fighting for their own protection, does it really help us to get to the truth?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 27 May 2025
Michael Marra
Other packages are available. Thank you.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 27 May 2025
Michael Marra
Thank you for your evidence so far, which is invaluable to the committee. I want to touch, first of all, on the appointment of inquiry chairs, so I will come to you, Lord Hardie. Your CV is one of many decades of distinguished service to Scottish public life. This follows on from Mr Mason’s questions. If somebody had said to you, “This inquiry will take up nine years of your professional life,” would you have said yes to chairing it?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 27 May 2025
Michael Marra
Of course, and that is useful. However, with regard to the inquiries that are being set up in Scotland, there seems to be a preponderance—almost a monopoly at the moment—of judge-led inquiries. You are saying that other options are available, so can you speculate as to why so many inquiries are judge led?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 27 May 2025
Michael Marra
Are you aware, through conversations, of members of the judiciary having turned down requests to chair an inquiry on the basis of how long it might take?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 27 May 2025
Michael Marra
You described the situation that led to the tram inquiry as a “public scandal”. Some of the fallout of your inquiry has been that people think that part of the issue with the trams in the first place was the huge delays and cost overruns, and then they look at the inquiry and say, “It’s gone on for nine years, with huge delays and cost overruns.” Does that slightly undermine the inquiry’s credibility? Were you concerned about that?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 27 May 2025
Michael Marra
Okay.
As of January 2024, there were 170 civil servants working on the bill at a monthly cost to the taxpayer of approximately £1 million. Is that still the case?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 27 May 2025
Michael Marra
I will leave my questions there. However, as a genuine point, minister, although I consider myself to be pretty well versed in financial memorandums—I have higher-level degrees in economics and other areas of finance—there are big parts of this financial memorandum that I find difficult to understand, because we are not comparing the same things. We are not comparing apples with apples; there are different timescales and approaches. Would it not be better to start again with a proper bill and a proper costing, so that we could understand what it is meant to do?