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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Michael Marra

Consistency is important and certainly useful, but accuracy is clearly the most important thing, and we do not have that in this process.

Colleagues have addressed the issue of the number of framework bills that we are receiving. Who in the process is saying to bill teams and other civil servants that we should be producing framework bills?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Michael Marra

So, there has been no reflection, in your discussions in the civil service, as to the clear problems that such bills are presenting, including the financial accounting, which we are presented as a committee, or as to the general ability of the public and the Parliament to scrutinise the legislation effectively. Has that not been reflected on in the civil service?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Michael Marra

The evidence indicates that the costs will be up to three and a half times higher than those that you have presented so far. As my colleagues have set out, it is important that we do not move to stage 1 consideration given that it is so vastly out of kilter and does not have the right evidence base. Do you accept all of that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Michael Marra

Knowing that you were going to come here today and tell us that, did you consider writing to the committee and saying that the information in the financial memorandum is wrong and that you would revise it and come back at a later date?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Michael Marra

We have heard a little bit about the handbook. This is not a direct criticism of your work in the area, but you will have got the strong message that this is the fourth time that the committee has been in a similar position. Who does the training on the preparation of financial memorandums in the Scottish Government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Michael Marra

There has been a very marked increase in the number of framework bills that the Parliament is considering, including major pieces of legislation such as the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill and the bill before us now, the Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill. We are seeing them all the time now. I am a relatively new member of the Parliament, having been elected in 2021, but my understanding is that, in years past, such bills were incredibly rare, if not completely unheard of, yet we are now seeing them at the committee almost every month. Is it a fashion that is running through the civil service?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Michael Marra

From the bill side—okay.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Michael Marra

Is there anything else in the evidence that we have received that you will take on board when you are trying to revise the financial memorandum?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Michael Marra

So you are not given any standard ways of presenting financial memorandums. As colleagues have picked up, we are looking at wildly different ways of presenting what should be the same thing. The convener has pointed out that we cannot be in the position of comparing apples and pears. We have a little disagreement between Mr Mason and the convener about how the figures are presented and whether they are material or immaterial, but is there no standardised process that you are presented with to say how you should present the figures?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Michael Marra

So you did not adhere to the standardised process.