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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Michael Marra
Those savings were not being realised, were they?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Michael Marra
You thought that the university should be more public about its situation.
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Michael Marra
That is directly contrary to what Professor O’Neill told me. He said that you were advocating for silence with the staff and for a culture of cover-up, secrecy, suppression of papers for the court that you were running, and a complete lack of transparency about the conduct of court business and the dealings of the university. That is the culture that we are seeing, on top of the incompetence, is it not?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Michael Marra
I think that that is illustrative of a lack of transparency, but I will leave it at that.
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Michael Marra
A letter from Ernst & Young to this committee refers to a report from Shepherd and Wedderburn that, I am led to believe, is about your departure. Is that correct?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Michael Marra
I am not really sure that I do, to be honest. You are claiming some form of legal protection—or some obligation rather than a protection—but I would like to know why you think that you left the university’s employment. Do you accept the rationale for your sacking?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Michael Marra
You do not. Okay.
We might hear a little more about the Shepherd and Wedderburn report, which I asked to have provided to the committee. I know that the convener asked the university to provide that and that the university has taken legal advice on it.
I put the same point to Peter Fotheringham. Your departure from the university has been described to me by various people as the first clear external indication of the turmoil that was going on behind the scenes. Did you leave because things were getting so bad?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Michael Marra
Why did you leave?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Michael Marra
You were surprised. So, you thought that £40 million was theoretically ring fenced and suddenly you were surprised that it was gone, despite the fact that you were the person who was sanctioning the expenditure on the kind of capital programmes that Peter Fotheringham spoke about. Is it a surprise to you, Mr Fotheringham, that Jim McGeorge did not realise that £40 million had disappeared?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Michael Marra
It sounds like you did. A big part of this is the rapid deterioration of the cash position that has left the university exposed so that it cannot make the kind of manoeuvres that other institutions can make. For example, the University of Aberdeen is in perhaps the second or third round of voluntary severances, whereas the University of Dundee was not in a position to do that; it had no money to do so due to the rapid expenditure of that money. Mr Fotheringham, were you not sounding alarms about the expenditure side of this when you could see that the cash position was deteriorating so rapidly?