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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

I will leave that issue there.

Lastly, on the broader issue, I think that the description of Dundee as a black swan is problematic; a black swan event is one that seems unpredictable but was, in hindsight, entirely predictable. I do not think that this really fits that pattern. It is pretty clear that we have a sector-wide issue, if we look at what is happening in the University of the West of Scotland, Robert Gordon University, the University of Edinburgh and the University of St Andrews. Yesterday, the permanent secretary said that there is high, and increasing, risk in the sector. I am afraid that it sounds to me as if what is happening at the SFC is a little bit like what happened at the University of Dundee. Are you speaking truth to power? Are you talking to power and saying, “There is a problem here, and it is going to have to be fixed”?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

That seems like a bit of a disaster, does it not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

That is £22 million of the £25 million?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

Okay.

It sounds as if we are going to hear more about the independent review from the Scottish Funding Council today. Was there any discussion with the workforce or the students about its terms of reference?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

I declare an interest in that I was previously employed as the deputy director of the Leverhulme research centre for forensic science.

In relation to an earlier question, it is my understanding that the dean of the school has had sight of an alternative plan but has dismissed it out of hand, so it is not being progressed to the university executive group. Can you commit to the UEG looking at an alternative plan, given that you have talked about a variety of alternatives today?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

The most senior executives—the most highly-paid individuals in the organisation—are the people who run the various elements of the strategy, and they were being shut out of court meetings in preference to one individual, who was the principal at that point. Is that correct?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

I was a former employee at the university and, in my time over 16 years, vice-principals and the deputy principal would regularly attend and sit on court. At what point did that practice stop?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

There are some concerns about the suggestion that he who pays the piper calls the tune—that whole thing. Would it not be better for the SFC to foot the bill to ensure that the review is independent?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

Okay, we will take that away.

On what happens next, I was glad to hear you commit to a timeframe of two weeks to come back with some kind of options. Pace is absolutely critical in this, as the institution is clearly still bleeding money. Given what we have heard about where it will find itself in a few weeks, what is on the table now that can be done? For instance, would you or the Government be prepared to stand behind a voluntary severance scheme so that those who wish to leave the institution can do so?