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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Michael Marra

Thanks for the evidence for far. This slightly more principle-level discussion in respect of how the institutions perform and interact is very useful for giving context to much of the detail that we have had from previous witnesses.

I will start on the fine difference between advocacy and scrutiny. I was also interested in the idea of an integrity branch. Lynda Towers, it feels to me that there is an issue around scrutiny and what I have been proposing to call the taxonomy of commissioners. One branch of that is those who watch the watchers, which includes the Ethical Standards Commissioner and the Scottish Information Commissioner—that is, those functions that scrutinise Government and performance under the law. Another branch, in which the Scottish Biometrics Commissioner sits, covers areas of technical detail that parliamentarians do not have knowledge of and that we would not expect them to have in order to perform certain roles that might be for a short time only. The third branch is more around the rights-based advocacy space, which many of the new proposals for commissioners sit within. How does that advocacy role fit within your integrity branch idea?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Michael Marra

Much of the evidence that we have had has been about the question of priorities. The argument is that we should have an older persons commissioner because older people do not have a voice and perhaps do not get a fair cut of the pie. A similar argument is made in relation to why we should have a neurodiversity commissioner. Those are political questions, which are really about prioritisation.

On a more principled level, are we witnessing the reality of a rights-based discourse coming up against fiscal and political reality? How can we combine the two? We tell people that they have rights and that we will put in place a certain infrastructure to help them to realise those rights, but there is no money to pay for that. Is that not part of the core question here as well?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Michael Marra

It almost sounded from your earlier answer as though the 0.4 per cent variance in the consolidated accounts was achieved through good forecasting. In fact, it was achieved through massive in-year budget cuts, was it not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Michael Marra

I have two more very short questions. The first is quite specific. If I ask a question at First Minister’s question time and the First Minister commits to doing something, do civil servants act to try to make that happen?

I will use two specific examples. First, two years ago, I raised with Nicola Sturgeon the case of a young man in secure accommodation in Dundee. He has now been in that completely inappropriate setting for a further two years, with delayed discharge. Absolutely nothing has happened. The First Minister has not contacted the family or, as far as I can tell, the health board. What happens when such commitments are made in the Parliament?

The second example, which is more recent, relates to fatal accident inquiries into the deaths of Scots abroad. Humza Yousaf, the then First Minister, committed to looking at the issue. I have written to him but had no response. I have written to the justice secretary but had no response. Is it your civil servants’ jobs to make sure that I get responses to such queries on behalf of my constituents? Why is that not happening?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Michael Marra

My point does not apply only to 2022-23. We are talking about long-term plans. In essence, we are talking about landing a jumbo jet on a stamp, but the jumbo jet was headed for Cape Town and had to land in Paris.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Michael Marra

How many ministerial directions have you had regarding the budget process?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Michael Marra

No, I am afraid that it is not, Mr Marks. I am talking about the revised costings in the original financial memorandum, not the revised proposals.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Michael Marra

We will wait and see.

When you were here last year, I asked you about the status of the resource spending review, the very large growth in the size of the civil service over recent years and the previous commitment of the then finance secretary to reduce the size of the civil service to pre-Covid levels. That finance secretary has now returned to the Government as Deputy First Minister. You were unable to tell us the status of the resource spending review at your appearance last year. Is that back on the table? Are we looking at that trajectory again?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Michael Marra

The resource analysis that was done, at significant public expense, does not really inform that trajectory; it is just about where the ministerial plans are for each individual area.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Michael Marra

Have they agreed to take those practices on board?