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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
Michael Marra
But you knew that the Nigerian currency had collapsed—you could have read that in the Financial Times or in The Economist.
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
Michael Marra
The finance and policy committee papers of 21 May showed that the moneys were no longer ring fenced and formed part of the year-end cash. Were you aware of that at the time?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
Michael Marra
There is no evidence that you managed to achieve anything in that period. That is why we are sitting here now.
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
Michael Marra
So you just kept spending.
This is the big difference. A lot of the conversation today has focused on international recruitment, and you have a good handle on that, but you do not appear to have a very good handle on a lot of other areas; I could list some of them. The issue is that the level of expenditure in the institution is the real problem.
There are many universities in Scotland circling around the pit. The reason that the University of Dundee has tipped into it is that you massively depleted the institution’s cash reserves over the previous 14 months. You liked spending the money and investing, did you not?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
Michael Marra
You did not have the money to pay for it. You had been told in May that the money had gone, but you just had not read it. Where did you think that the money was coming from?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
Michael Marra
Do you remember the date that you left?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
Michael Marra
Given how you have presented some of your evidence today, you seem like a man who has a bit of a flair for language and presentation, as many people in your position would.
When you left, a copy of a book called “The Spy and the Traitor” was left on your desk at University House, where you had put your keys and staff card. Was that because you felt that there were traitors and you felt betrayed?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
Michael Marra
The sense that I got from the earlier conversation about your final departure was that you were not very happy about the whole thing. Why did the chair of court feel that you had to leave? Was it because you had caused the situation or because you were not part of the solution to the situation?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
Michael Marra
Did she tell you why? “We have lost faith in you” must be about the fact that you had known—as you have set out in the evidence that you have given us today and as we have seen in the Gillies report—that the institution had very significant financial problems since, if we are being generous, early spring 2024.
I have been told by very senior colleagues of yours, such as Professor O’Neill, that there was complete inaction from you between the point that everybody knew and the point that you left in December. We have heard that no action was taken on voluntary severance. You thought that it should happen, but you could not deliver it, in your own words. In other evidence, we were told that you did not think that it should happen at all. The Gillies report says that there were moments when the university could have changed course but did not.
You were not able to deliver any such actions. How would you describe your actions over the period from spring to December, when you departed? What were you doing to try to save 3,000 jobs?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
Michael Marra
This has been a catalogue of incompetence. Today’s meeting has been littered with the phrases “should have” and “could have”. Your successor, Shane O’Neill, has now left his post as principal because he is deemed to have been complicit in the debacle of your leadership and what has happened. Your predecessor but one—there was a small interim period within that—Andrew Atherton, also had to leave his position.
Do you think that there is a structural problem such that we cannot get proper leadership for this outstanding group of staff and students?