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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

One of the biggest areas that we talk about at the moment is ferries. You said that you could save £500 million rather than the £18 million for the commissioners. Is that not part of the attitude that results in the bill shooting up from £50 million to £400 million?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

The committee heard evidence that, when the SPCB was first devised, it was not in its broad terms of reference that it would manage and scrutinise multiple organisations. It has, we believe, 1.4 members of staff to examine the budgets. They do not have the capacity to do the work that the Government has asked them to do.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

Unless we need them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

So you think that it should be spending more of that money on commissioners, rather than—

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

To be fair, it was not my amendment and I was not asking for that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

I was not asking for anybody to carry that out. I am probing the understanding of what the corporate body does. The committee has heard significant concerns from members of the corporate body about not only their capacity but the locus that they have to undertake those roles appropriately. They do not have the capacity to do it. It seems to me that, with the commissioners, the thinking is, “We don’t really know where to put this, so it will go there.” The result is that the SPCB role is growing like Topsy, but it does not have the capacity to do it.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

It is not everything; I was just saying that there are a few things that have been difficult for the Government that it has parked in this place. Anyway, I will move on.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

But the Government must see a limit to that point, where it says that we cannot just continue to bestow functions and responsibilities upon a limited body and ask it to continue undertaking that work for ever.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

You have validated that approach and said that it is the right thing for lobbyists and others to advocate for a new commissioner. Is it not the role of the Government to say no?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

Thank you for your evidence so far, minister. What is the threshold of public finance that would command your attention?