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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Proposed National Outcomes

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Michael Marra

I am thinking about the framework as a decision-making tool. Is it not the case that, in the absence of economic growth, there will be fewer resources as demand grows? If we do not grow the amount of finance that is available to the public sector through economic growth, we will have less available because of climate change, technological change, demographic change and increasing pressure on our public services. Does the framework therefore not become a tool to prioritise cuts? Rather than saying what works, it becomes a question of what does not work. Is it an effective tool to determine what does not work?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Michael Marra

You are an optimist, but could we be a little more pragmatic about it? We are trying to understand the restrictions on the budget and how that will work. Realistically, I do not think that anyone on the panel would say that they think that we will have a fiscal framework in nine weeks’ time. Could we have hands up for that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Proposed National Outcomes

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Michael Marra

I hope so.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Proposed National Outcomes

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Michael Marra

Allan Faulds has touched on a point that I want to explore, which is the divergence in the Government’s position. We are told that economic growth is one of the Government’s and the First Minister’s key priorities, yet, at the same time, reference to economic growth has been removed from the document that we have in front of us.

I wonder whether that relates to some of the other issues that have been raised in evidence. The ALLIANCE’s submission says that there is an implementation gap between the policy objectives and reality. When the Government is pulling in one direction and the rhetoric is going in another, that makes me wonder what the purpose is. What Adam Boey described was a form of organisational discipline for the bureaucracy, so that it can drive towards a purpose, but if there is a mismatch between those two forms of language, is that not a core problem? Should there not be coherence across those areas?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Michael Marra

Councillor Hagmann, it is nine weeks until the budget announcement in Holyrood. How are the discussions going?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Michael Marra

Is it the same as in previous years? Do you have a better understanding of the strategic approach that is being taken this year?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Michael Marra

The cabinet secretary has been quite clear to us that the medium-term financial strategy will come alongside the spending review, which will happen in the spring, so I think that multiyear budgets are probably for that point. However, with regard to decisions to be taken this year, have you told the cabinet secretary the things that you think you should stop doing?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Michael Marra

It sounds to me as though we are reaching the end of the road with regard to head count reduction before it affects legal requirements. Is that correct?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Michael Marra

Given that we are nine weeks out from the budget and these are long-term discussions that have gone on for a decade and more, it does not seem realistic that we will see proposals coming forward in time for the Government to change anything this side of the ledger.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Michael Marra

Okay, so there are no proposals—