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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Marra

Much of what you have just said is about further expenditure. My question was about how that money would be raised. The First Minister said that

“the UK Government should have increased income tax”—[Official Report, 14 November 2024; c 13.]

to the level that we have in Scotland. The Fraser of Allander Institute published its analysis of that on 17 January and said that, if what the First Minister had suggested had been done, Scotland’s block grant would have lost £636 million.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Marra

The cost of that, as modelled by the Scottish Fiscal Commission, is £155 million rising to £198 million, which is one fifth of a billion pounds. Is it typical of the way that you would take a decision in Government that you take one proposal to the civil service and it gives you some kind of answer? It does not give you any other options. You do not set out the proposal, which is that you rightly want to lift children out of poverty and to meet statutory child poverty targets. You do not go to the civil service with a range of options or have the civil servants provide you with a range of options. You just go with one thing and it comes back and says—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Marra

Do you wish that that had happened when the resource spending review was published?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Marra

To be fair, cabinet secretary, we are having a debate on the matter this afternoon, as you have said, and there have been several of those in Parliament.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Marra

Here is my question to you. Your First Minister has set out what he thought should happen and the Fraser of Allander Institute has said that that would cost £636 million. That analysis was published on 17 January, but you do not have an alternative.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Marra

Did you receive civil service advice on that decision? You have listed some very specific things, including possible approaches to mitigation, balancing cost, pace and payment arrangements. Those are very specific things and I would have thought that the civil service would have given you some advice on them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Marra

Can you clarify who “they” are in this? Is it the third sector organisations or the civil service?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Marra

All of that is—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Marra

You have made that point.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michael Marra

Do you agree with the First Minister?