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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

Are you confident that there will be an MTFS in 2025?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

We are at that point in the meeting when I will just ask questions about things that we have already covered—probably things that I did not understand. We will go back to a few of them.

The convener touched on the in-year position this year. In its initial response to the budget, the Institute for Fiscal Studies said that the Scottish budget for 2025-26

“excludes £1.3 billion of funding that Budget documentation implies that the Scottish Government still has to allocate to services this year.”

It went on to say that,

“despite previously suggesting it had already accounted for the top-up to its funding announced in the UK Budget in its financial planning for the current financial year, the Scottish Government is, in effect, planning to carry forward £400 million for use in future years.”

Can you set out your understanding of the in-year situation and what we might see in terms of carry-forwards?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

The £30 million that you mentioned is 0.05 per cent of the overall budget. It is not really a plan for reform. You have previously set out the issues with reform, but you have also set out the headwinds and direction of travel on the social security budget as a share of the overall budget and the relationship to the block grant allocations. Does the budget not just reinforce some of the problems that you identified rather than address them?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

So your message to the Government would be that you want to see a process for that now, rather than wait until we get those numbers.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

How much of what is being carried forward will be available in future years?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

There is probably still some level of on-going confusion—not just in my head but, more generally, in relation to the statements that we have had from the Government regarding the allocation of money and the assumptions that it has made. However, we can take that up with the ministers.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

We will move on to pay policy. It is good that we have a public pay policy, but I have to say that it felt a bit thin to me—it is written in a very big font. We have already covered the lack of progression in the numbers. How does it compare with what you would expect from a public pay policy? You have already mentioned head count, but are there other issues that you would like to see covered and which would give you a less bare figure?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

What if the amount allocated is insufficient? You clearly think that it is insufficient, so what does the Government do?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

The IFS said:

“It does not inspire confidence that much-needed reform will actually happen.”

That was its initial response. The Fraser of Allander Institute said:

“difficult decisions have been kicked into the future rather than planned for.”

That related in particular to the large negative reconciliations that you have already referenced. Is that a concern? You have identified that as a risk, but do you agree that there does not seem to be a plan to deal with those big risks?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

On how we match up some of the reporting, I could give you numerous quotes from the Auditor General and other people about the lack of transparency around the process. We have talked a little bit about the spending review process that the UK Government is undertaking. It is taking a zero-based budgeting approach across all departments. Is there a concern that we might get into a situation where we wait for those figures in Scotland and, rather than having a process that underpins a reform and an understanding of the finances of each part of the budget and what we are spending money on, we just accept those figures as targets to run towards?