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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Michael Marra

My amendments 26, 27, 30 and 31 would require the Scottish Government to publish draft Gaelic language standards. The bill already requires the Government to carry out a consultation, but a requirement to consult is only worth while as long as there is something on which to consult.

Members of the committee will have gathered that there is significant public interest in the future of the Gaelic language from a range of stakeholders. I know that many have made passionate representations to the committee, in person and in writing, about how best to preserve and promote the Gaelic language. It is only right that the Government draws on the expertise of those stakeholders when publishing Gaelic language standards.

Amendment 32 holds the Scottish Government to a deadline for the publication of the draft Gaelic language standards, that being within one year of the day after royal assent.

There are two reasons for amendment 32. First, I think that it is fair to say that, in recent years, the Government has taken a very generous approach to its own deadlines, using nebulous targets such as “autumn”, which gives little certainty to Parliament or the wider public. The Government should not only set itself clear outcomes against which it can be measured but be transparent about when it expects to achieve those outcomes. A constant shifting of the goalposts erodes public trust.

Secondly, as the committee stated in its stage 1 report, the Gaelic language is in a “perilous state”. We do not have the luxury of time—perhaps you can detect a theme, convener, to many of my amendments. It is really important that the Government holds itself to a timeous deadline for the publication of Gaelic language standards.

I move amendment 26.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Michael Marra

My concern about changing the deadline to two years is that that pushes the matter into the next parliamentary session, and goodness only knows what that will look like. Things are in great flux. I hope that we do not just pass the bill but ensure that substantive action is taken within this parliamentary session. On that basis, I have concerns about moving to a two-year timeframe. In the spirit of negotiation, could we go a bit further? Could we find something at 18 months—essentially, prior to May 2026?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Michael Marra

I welcome that very much.

I was about to close on the fact that targets must drive actions; just having another plan that flows from them is insufficient. There has to be housing, better transport links and jobs in those communities. That is what will make a difference.

On the basis of the assurances that I have had, I do not intend to press amendment 8. I look forward to the discussions ahead of stage 3.

Amendment 8, by agreement, withdrawn.

Section 5—Gaelic language strategy

Amendments 9 to 12 moved—[Ross Greer]—and agreed to.

Amendment 13 not moved.

Amendment 14 moved—[Ross Greer]—and agreed to.

Amendment 15 not moved.

Amendments 16 to 18, 78 and 19 to 25 moved—[Ross Greer]—and agreed to.

Section 5, as amended, agreed to.

Section 6—Gaelic language standards

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Michael Marra

Do you recognise that the independence of that form of analysis is very important? I cite the landmark publication of “The Gaelic Crisis in the Vernacular Community”, which proved controversial in policy circles. Some of the well founded and deeply researched issues in that publication showed the depth of the decline. Although it might be a point of debate, independent research that holds the policy community and the Government to account for their actions is vitally important. In that regard, directly commissioned work from the Government might have its limitations.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Michael Marra

I thank the cabinet secretary for her comments, and I think that there is some common ground here on the lack of frequency of reporting with regard to the status—or state—of the language, as far as the level is concerned. I sense that we are moving towards a commitment to doing something about reporting in terms of the areas of linguistic significance, and on that basis, and if there is a commitment to having further discussions ahead of stage 3 on how we ensure that this is in the bill, I am happy not to press amendment 47.

Amendment 47, by agreement, withdrawn.

Section 9—Gaelic language plans

Amendments 48 to 50 moved—[Ross Greer]—and agreed to.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

What is the relationship between the £1.3 billion and the £400 million with regard to the IFS statement? You are saying that it indicated certain things.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

What is the figure for that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

The justification for not producing a public sector pay policy last year or the year before was that the Government did not want to set a floor for negotiations. Part of the feedback in the committee’s discussions was that it might be sensible to set out some options for mitigations that could be used in the budget in the event that it exceeded the policy. In essence, the Government has given you a number that would set a floor, which you immediately think is not sufficient, but it has not done any of the other things that are needed to try to deal with that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

I will ask about the more general, longer-term position. What impact does the budget have on sustainability, on which you reported previously?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Michael Marra

The final area is the sequencing of reports. We have previously talked about the differential between the OBR’s work and your work being a significant problem, but that was in relation to the huge delays—the snapshots were being taken at different times, so there was great variation. It seems that we are, on this occasion, in a slightly better position in that regard, but that you disagree with the OBR on some of the assumptions.