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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

Thank you for all the answers so far. Members of the previous panel said that they would be happy for there to be a short consultation with staff and the community about what should be included in the terms of reference of the independent review. It is imperative that confidence is built in this process—that is a necessary prerequisite.

You have now announced the chair of the review, and Pamela Gillies is a very eminent individual. She is a good Dundonian as well as someone who has led in the sector. Can you commit to some form of consultation with staff about what should be included in the terms of reference, so that there will be broader ownership of the review?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

I will come on to the point about the pace at some length, as I recognise that there is a tension in that respect.

Will there be a mechanism by which members of the university more broadly and whistleblowers—people who have things to add—can input anonymously into the review?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

Has a budget been set for it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

There are some concerns about the suggestion that he who pays the piper calls the tune—that whole thing. Would it not be better for the SFC to foot the bill to ensure that the review is independent?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

Okay, we will take that away.

On what happens next, I was glad to hear you commit to a timeframe of two weeks to come back with some kind of options. Pace is absolutely critical in this, as the institution is clearly still bleeding money. Given what we have heard about where it will find itself in a few weeks, what is on the table now that can be done? For instance, would you or the Government be prepared to stand behind a voluntary severance scheme so that those who wish to leave the institution can do so?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

That is a very important commitment. It is an opportunity for an underwriting of some of the bank loan, as it will allow access to that cash a lot more quickly. At the moment, my understanding is that the university is considering how it can commit to put capital behind that, whether that be in buildings, having a secured loan rather than an unsecured loan or anything else that can be done. Is that a possibility?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

Would that be in addition to bank finance?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

On the status of the bank finance, where are we at with negotiations to secure some form of credit facility?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

Okay, so it is being negotiated. Is there an indication that the Government might be prepared to underwrite some of that financing?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Michael Marra

So, we will find out about that in the next two weeks as well. Okay. It is fair to say that it beggars belief that we have not gone through some of this already—that we have reached this point, and the numbers that we have heard about, without some of those options being explored with the Scottish Funding Council or with the Government.