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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 February 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

Is the Scottish Funding Council competent to deal with this issue, particularly given the fire that is running through the sector?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

Secondly, you mentioned earlier that the proposal was put forward by yourself, but there did not appear to be any analysis of that—there was just a letter that came back in response. Do you think that the Funding Council scrutinised the proposal, or was that a political response?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

I will close with this point, convener. In the conversations that I have with staff, they tell me that, from day to day, many things are not working in the institution. As people will understand, when you take out the number of staff that the university has done, both through the voluntary severance scheme and through people resigning from key posts, grants do not get signed off and approval cannot be got for posts or expenditure in different areas.

You have talked a little bit about this already, Professor Seaton. Given that level of change, is there any way in which people can be heard? When people tell me about not being able to get those critical decisions pushed through in an institution—and, as some have told me, this is about the wages that they get in their bank accounts and about grants that are not being signed off but which are sitting on executive-level desks instead—is there any way in which I can raise that directly? Given the turmoil, is there any means that you can create internally—or any problem-solving, star-chamber approach that you can take—to ensure that those things get sorted in order to make the organisation work?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

Thank you both for coming today. I will start with the issue of prioritising buildings instead of people. One of the key things that staff tell me is how they feel when they hear that a surplus has to be generated in order to make buildings nicer while they are potentially losing their livelihoods, which will cause the city to lose wages and the economy to suffer. Do you understand how that feels, Professor Seaton?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

Are you talking about the conditions for the overall annual grant that the university receives?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

The case that you are making is that the capital investment is mission critical for the university, because it is about ensuring safety—is that what you are saying?

To quite a lot of people, it feels like it is more about buildings getting a coat of paint and looking nicer in order to attract people in. Can you give a commitment that you are not just generating a surplus to build up white elephants or create vanity projects? Can you assure people that the aim is to meet the needs of the institution, the students and the staff?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

At the start of the meeting, you said that the letter presented by the Funding Council identified two elements where there were problems and that you were told not to progress with reorganisation or with redundancies. Those two elements were therefore rejected, but you have not been impeded from taking action on them. From conversations I have had in the past week, I understand that the information about the reorganisation went out in an email to staff, who say that it is progressing although, at the time, they had heard from the Government that it would not be allowed. Setting aside for a moment the real human consequences of redundancies, there is a lack of clarity and people still do not really know what is happening. Do you accept that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

When are we likely to see an outcome on that? I believe that there was some concern from court members about whether they might be liable with regard to that loan. The latest that we heard was that the loan was to be effectively turned into a grant. Is that not the case?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

I am afraid that we have already asked—the committee has had members of the Funding Council in front of it—and clarity was not forthcoming.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Michael Marra

In that case, I will turn to progress on governance, which various members have touched on. One of the first recommendations in the Gillies report was about the presentation of financial reports to court. The convener has already touched on the lack of transparency in that respect, and you are going to reflect on that. Do you feel that sufficient financial information is now being presented to court?

I will take Mr Hamill first on that.