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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Michael Marra

From my interaction with the system, it strikes me that it is a fairly straightforward piece of software, to say the least. To an extent, IT procurement costs will be what they will be. I am sure that you are going out to ensure that you get the best price that is available. I understand Jackson Carlaw’s point that the SPCB is implementing the will of the Parliament, and I have no problem at all with the idea of transparency in the area—I am a great supporter of it. However, as you develop the outline business case, is any analysis being done of the use of the system and its efficacy?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Michael Marra

So, the system will be more automated.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Michael Marra

Do we have any indication of the broader behaviour change of lobbyists and parliamentarians and of the better outcomes for citizens as a result of the legislation?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Michael Marra

It might be worthwhile to pass on the information that you receive from the analysis undertaken to inform the outline business case, to act as a prompt for post-legislative scrutiny. As I have said, we have no problem at all with the principle, but we want to ensure that the system is as effective as possible. Parliament has agreed it, but if the amount of traffic is limited or it is not encouraging behaviour change in how things operate, I would have thought—I am going back to this theme—that we would want to have some view of that, via post-legislative scrutiny, if there is the capacity to do so.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Michael Marra

I am asking you whether the SNP councillors should withdraw the proposals.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Michael Marra

Yes, there is a “but”. Universities Scotland says that higher education is actually facing a 0.7 per cent real-terms cut to its funding, and it struggles to see where the 3.5 per cent figure comes from. Perhaps you have combined a £12.97 million increase in cash with repurposing money that was already in the system. In that bubble, there was £14.5 million that was a hangover from the Covid situation. Is that how you came to the figure of 3.5 per cent?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Michael Marra

I think that the 22 per cent real-terms reduction is across the past five years, and half of it has been across the past two years. That is my understanding of the allocations that you have made.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Michael Marra

Perhaps you could set that out in writing.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Michael Marra

As has already been highlighted, that is incredibly important to growth in the economy.

On the colleges side, the chief executive of Colleges Scotland said that the

“Budget fails to recognise the vital role colleges play in driving economic growth”

and that

“the Scottish Government’s continued disinvestment in such a cornerstone of the education and skills sector is deeply troubling.”

In the short term, this budget is about doing little harm, some people might say, but in the longer term it is about whether we are disinvesting in our future as a country. Does that trajectory and the shape of the budget not trouble you?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Michael Marra

I will finish by remaining with Dundee, unsurprisingly, and ask about pupil equity funding. Last week, the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills told the Education, Children and Young People Committee that the PEF

“funding stream has become absolutely essential to the way in which schools are now run.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 8 January 2025; c 11.]

There is yet another very significant reduction in PEF money in Dundee, which will result in a reduction of 18.8 full-time equivalent teachers in our schools. That money is meant to be for the most vulnerable young people. Are you disappointed with the way in which Scottish National Party colleagues in Dundee are running the situation?