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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Michael Marra

Minister, please—I think that it should be a simple question to answer.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Michael Marra

But we have no idea at the moment how many of those people will be transferred to a new body. I am just clarifying what you have said and whether that is the case. Indeed, Mr Stewart has just said that we do not know whether they will transfer or not.

As you will be aware, the Scottish Association of Social Work has asked for a pause on the bill. It is gravely concerned about the shape of all of this, because it does not have any answers. Have you considered at all in the financial memorandum the issue of pensions, which are not included under the Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations, and what will happen to social workers’ pensions?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Michael Marra

I will finish off the questions on this area. If it is okay, convener, I will ask one more question, which is on resourcing.

Is the Government minded to amend schedule 3 to narrow the scope of the powers in the bill that relate to the issues that we have been discussing and to give some clarity on what is in and what is out when it comes to children’s services? I understand the arguments about co-design and the process, but it feels to me as though we are going back to managing risk. Perhaps the minister can reflect on where the lines fall between services; in fact, he himself has talked eloquently about the gap between different areas. Minister, can you reflect on my suggestion and see whether it might be a possibility?

More broadly on the issue of resourcing, you have talked in your evidence today about national collective bargaining, essentially around social work services, and you have also talked about a once-for-Scotland commissioning of services in this area. You have mentioned a variety of areas, including kinship care and levelling up the money in that respect, but I have not heard any analysis of the resourcing for any of those areas.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Michael Marra

They were, although I do not think that the answer was.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Michael Marra

I am not sure that that was the nub of my question. Perhaps I did not phrase it appropriately. It was about dropping young people who have certain needs into what is a crisis. We can talk about the crisis and its causes, but what we have heard in our evidence so far is that this could be precisely the wrong moment to drop them into it and that there is a lot of risk that those children will get lost in a service that is, in essence, being designed to deal with acute care issues. Is there not a risk of those children being lost in that huge, on-going issue?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Michael Marra

I was saying that we have heard evidence that there is risk. The question is really about resourcing and how resources are spread.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Michael Marra

If I can, Mr Stewart—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Michael Marra

That would be useful.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Michael Marra

Mr Doris has asked incredibly important questions. How much would that cost?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Michael Marra

Yes, with particular reference to social workers’ working conditions in relation to pensions and whether that has been factored into the financial calculations.