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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Michael Marra

You have already said that, cabinet secretary; you are repeating your first answer. I want to try to understand how you moved within that period. You cannot think that the situation is optimal and desirable. There is chaos in councils following the decision to take a third of the entirety of their budgeting options. We could have a discussion about whether we think that that is a good thing for teacher numbers, but councils are left having to make massive cuts in other areas.

I will give one example. Dundee City Council is about to cut its funding for Big Noise Douglas in Dundee, which is an education programme that works with kids in the most impoverished area. The council has been left in that position in which it is making that cut. Is that a reasonable position for you to have put it in with just days to go before it sets its budget?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Michael Marra

I am frustrated because you are describing a chronic situation and short-term actions, and you are telling us that the bill before us does not deal with that. The Parliament is trying to find a mechanism to accelerate change and to make the process work because, at the moment, it does not seem to be happening. I am not being offered a timeframe in which you, as professionals, would be able to make a judgment as to whether the approaches that you are putting in place work. Would 18 months be enough for you to tell whether we are on the right path? Would six months do? We are talking about pilot programmes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Michael Marra

Is that why you changed your position between 30 January and 1 February?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Michael Marra

On 18 December 2022, the Deputy First Minister, John Swinney, issued his budget circular to COSLA; on 18 January 2023, cabinet secretary, you were in front of us, giving details of the budget; and, on 1 February, you wrote a letter to COSLA, saying that you would be ring fencing one third of its net revenue budget and demanding that it get back to you by 5 pm to say how it was going to deal with that and whether or not it would be accepting that. What changed your mind between your appearance here and your letter of 1 February?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Michael Marra

You have.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Michael Marra

It is useful to have clarity on that mechanism and that it is an in-year process prior to the budget being set. For clarity, Dundee’s budget for this has been cut by £4.9 million, for the poorest community in the country.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Michael Marra

You were questioned on the issue of teacher numbers in the chamber and by the committee, and you did not at any point, I think, say that there was any mechanism or push to try to resolve things. However, as I have said, between 18 January and 1 February, you resolved to ring fence in its entirety one third of the net revenue budget of councils across Scotland. The Society of Local Authority Chief Executives and Senior Managers—SOLACE—said at that point that it was impossible, with no notice, to rewrite budgets by 5 pm and in one working day. Is that the way in which the Scottish Government should be running not just education but, frankly, its finances?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Michael Marra

I am afraid that that was not an answer to either of the questions that I have asked. The situation can be described only as chaos, which is how SOLACE has described it. There has been a complete failure of planning on the part of the Government to deal with a fundamental issue in relation to ensuring that teacher numbers are maintained over the long term. It strikes me that the one thing that seems to have changed is that the First Minister was challenged on that very issue on television on 30 January—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Michael Marra

Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Michael Marra

That is precisely my point—