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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 9 May 2023
Michael Marra
Good morning, and welcome to the 13th meeting in 2023 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. We have received apologies from the convener, so I will convene the meeting in his place.
We are joined by Keith Brown, who is attending the meeting as a substitute member in the convener’s absence. I am pleased to welcome Keith to the meeting, and I invite him to declare any relevant interests.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 9 May 2023
Michael Marra
Thank you.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 9 May 2023
Michael Marra
Under the next agenda item, we will continue our inquiry into effective Scottish Government decision making. We are joined remotely by Sophie Howe, sustainability futures and wellbeing adviser and former Future Generations Commissioner for Wales; Professor Steve Martin, director of the Wales Centre for Public Policy at Cardiff University; and Professor Matthew Flinders, University of Sheffield. I welcome you all to the meeting, and thank you for giving us your time.
I intend to allow up to 90 minutes for this session. If any of the witnesses wants to come in on a question, I would be grateful if they could post in the chat function so that I know to bring them in. I also ask my committee colleagues to name the first witness to whom they are putting their question.
Liz Smith will kick off the questions.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 9 May 2023
Michael Marra
Two of the witnesses are in Wales. I will bring in Steve Martin.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 9 May 2023
Michael Marra
A Conservative minister was quoted in 2020 as saying that Whitehall had been “infantilised” by the use of consultancy companies. Reflecting on Professor Flinders’s point about where they are positioned in the policy-making chain, I thought that that was a highly critical comment.
I will bring in Professor Martin, as he is on the screen.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 9 May 2023
Michael Marra
Agenda item 3 is an evidence session on the financial memorandum to the Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill. I welcome to the meeting Natalie Don MSP, Minister for Children, Young People and Keeping the Promise, and her Scottish Government officials: Brendan Rooney, bill manager; Tom McNamara, head of youth justice and children’s hearings; and Helen Duncan from the children and families analysis branch.
I thank you all for coming and welcome you to the meeting. I invite Natalie Don to make a brief opening statement.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 9 May 2023
Michael Marra
When might Parliament see a revised financial memorandum?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 9 May 2023
Michael Marra
So we will have a revised memorandum prior to the completion of stage 1.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 9 May 2023
Michael Marra
So the secure accommodation does not have the funding in place at the moment.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 9 May 2023
Michael Marra
Holidays have to be paid for as well.
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