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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 May 2023
Michael Marra
I mentioned the meeting that took place between Nicola Sturgeon and Jim McColl in May 2017. No civil servant was present at that meeting; a special adviser attended. They talked about the significant issue of expenditure. Would that have been an allowed practice at the time, or was that a decision that was taken by a minister?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 May 2023
Michael Marra
Given that the First Minister said on 3 May that he was “happy” to check, will that advice be consistent with the previous advice? Will the First Minister find the same advice if he checks?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 May 2023
Michael Marra
Yes.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 May 2023
Michael Marra
Yes.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 May 2023
Michael Marra
You seem reluctant to say that that is your expectation of Cabinet colleagues.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 May 2023
Michael Marra
Excellent. I am glad to hear it.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 May 2023
Michael Marra
But they have not given you any clarity.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 May 2023
Michael Marra
Deputy First Minister, you said that there are lessons to be learned in this area. Rather than speaking more about the specifics, will you say how you go about learning lessons? What have you changed or done differently, or what would you do differently, given the experience that you have just recounted in response to Michelle Thompson?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 May 2023
Michael Marra
That is a useful recounting, but we regularly hear from Government ministers that lessons will be learned. For example, on the ferries scandal, Kate Forbes said on 29 March 2022:
“We recognise where things have gone wrong and we are learning lessons for the future.”—[Official Report, 29 March 2022; c 4.]
The First Minister at the time said:
“Lessons have been, are being, and will be learned.”—[Official Report, 31 March 2022; c 11.]
On the Audit Scotland report about the £5 billion lack of transparency in the Covid business arrangements, Kate Forbes said that any lessons that were highlighted by the report would be learned.
This is about decision making. We are told that lessons are being learned, but I am keen to understand what those lessons are.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 May 2023
Michael Marra
Other examples include the ferries scandal, which I have mentioned and which has involved huge public expenditure, and the shambolic approach to the census. On 1 June 2022, Nicola Sturgeon said:
“Of course we will review the experience and ensure that any lessons that require to be learned are learned.”—[Official Report, 1 June 2022; c 25.]
What lessons have we learned about how those pretty poor decisions by the Government were made?