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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 29 September 2021

Michael Marra

There was significant upset among staff. I have spoken with trade unions, which have said that staff were upset by the announcement and the way that it was welcomed by the organisation’s leadership. Is it fair to say that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 29 September 2021

Michael Marra

I appreciate that.

Given some of the previous questioning, I am a little worried about the distance from Government and the extent to which some of the advice and expertise that can be drawn on—which, as you rightly reflect, is so important to the education system—is independent.

I want to look forward a little to next year, if I can, to pull everything together with regard to the plans that you have set out. In my view, the guidance that was issued on 15 September was lacking detail and clarity. I recognise the context in which everyone is operating, but young people and teachers need clarity. That has come through very strongly in the evidence that we have heard from young people—there was a complete lack of clarity last year and even less the year before, so we are looking for more clarity this year.

In particular, the guidance sets out that, if mitigations to exams are needed, those decisions will be left until March next year. It does not set out any detail on what criteria those decisions will be made on, so any comment on that would be useful.

In addition, it does not say whether decisions will be made pupil by pupil, school by school, council by council or Scotland wide. At what level will the approach be decided? Will disruption be experienced differently by pupils? We need more clarity on that, so it would be helpful if you could give us some comment and provide clarity for those young people.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 29 September 2021

Michael Marra

Thank you for that clarification.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 29 September 2021

Michael Marra

I am interested in some of the questions about form and function, as you have put it. We all know about the very important job that the SQA has to do over the coming year, and the pandemic challenges remain vast for the education system.

Fiona Robertson, on 21 June, you issued a statement that welcomed the announcement that your organisation was going to be scrapped. Did you consult the SQA’s staff before you issued that statement?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 29 September 2021

Michael Marra

But it increased this year, under this model.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 29 September 2021

Michael Marra

However, we are interested in the model and how it was applied. That is what members are getting at. It is clear from the data that the gaps increased. How do you account for the increase between the two models—those in 2020 and 2021?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 29 September 2021

Michael Marra

The consequences of this seem pretty clear. The attainment gap between the richest and the poorest increased. The performance gap between state schools and private schools increased. The gap between disabled students and non-disabled students increased. Do you not feel that those are the consequences of the issue that we have just been discussing?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 29 September 2021

Michael Marra

You said:

“I welcome the ... announcement of a new specialist agency with responsibility for both curriculum and assessment. This is an opportunity for significant change”.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 29 September 2021

Michael Marra

I would appreciate that clarity from Beth Black, but I have one question on that answer.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 29 September 2021

Michael Marra

You talked about a watching brief. I will not ask for the number of days of disruption or anything like that. If schools in one part of the country or one local authority are significantly disrupted and schools in another area are not, could we see different approaches for those different areas? For example, could exams be cancelled in Glasgow but not in Edinburgh? We are talking about a national approach. I see lots of shaking heads. Fiona Robertson talked about exceptional circumstances and taking individual approaches into account. How do you square those two things?

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