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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Michael Marra

That is a very useful comment about the broader practical issues. We have focused on a very useful conversation about the 23 per cent decline in the number of computing teachers and we recognise that something has to be done in that area. Your comments on the broader infrastructure, including the human infrastructure of support staff, are particularly useful.

I am conscious of the Scottish Qualifications Authority’s role in the area. There is a lot of characterisation of computing as a boring subject. One headteacher said to me recently that higher computing had been positioned as being quite a technical, boring, inaccessible subject, rather than having been given a sense of inspiration and possibility. Would you recognise and agree with that characterisation?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Michael Marra

That is helpful. Thanks, convener.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Michael Marra

It is more broadly about the system and the skills. We will park the gender issue just now, as we have covered it quite comprehensively so far.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Michael Marra

Turning to our colleague from the Scottish Building Federation, I am interested in issues pertaining to net zero and the training not just of young people—on whom we have focused in this discussion—but of older, more experienced tradespeople and other people bringing skills to the labour market. Do you think that enough is being done, both by the industry and by the associated agencies, to support you to upskill and refresh the workforce, so that we can meet the challenges of higher building standards, different approaches and new technologies? Are we building capacity and reacting enough, as institutions, to help you to do that work?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Michael Marra

I have been speaking to representatives of colleges over the past couple of weeks, and they are telling me that they are struggling to retain students, due to the opportunities that emerge for well-paid jobs in your industry. When it comes to completing courses and ensuring that students have the qualifications to hand that allow them to work through a longer-term career, there is a drive on your side of the fence to get people into work—and that is a great thing—but are you working with your members to ensure that new recruits can complete those courses, get the credits and get the credentials that can provide a longer career?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Michael Marra

The point about the appropriate representation of business and employers in those groups should be included in that, as well. I am sure that we will touch on that later in our discussion of the evidence. That was particularly powerful evidence.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Michael Marra

The “robust” process has been mentioned a few times. Can you say a bit more about what that entails, so that we can have some confidence in the process? You mentioned evidence gathering.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Michael Marra

—and I will come back to my substantive question. That is great.

I am heartened by Professor Logan’s comments. He gave a practical shopping list of things that could happen now, and there were lots of nodding heads, although he might not have been able to see them. That is the kind of thing that we want to hear. When Shirley-Anne Somerville was with us on 6 October, she told us that some meetings were happening, but it did not feel as if there was a practical list of things that were taking place.

We are two years on, I think, from the publication of the report that you authored, and I am detecting a certain frustration about the pace of change in bringing the organisations together. Is there more that we could usefully do on the issue to push the pace?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Michael Marra

I will direct my questions to Dr Coull. We have been talking about female leaders in the sector, and we have one here, so I want to ask her some questions.

My understanding of your role is that you are perhaps at the interface of employers—through preparing graduates to go to work with companies—and consumers of the exam system and people coming through to you. What are your reflections on the previous discussion on what is coming out of our schools? Are people being prepared for what you need to do to get them into those employment opportunities?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Michael Marra

I will ask a supplementary question on this, if that is okay, convener—