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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

Yesterday, we had an exchange with Jim McGeorge, who said that he also did not realise that the money had been spent. Peter Fotheringham said that it was a surprise to him that anybody did not know and that the university was never generating enough cash to spend on its fixed-assets programme.

The Gillies report makes clear that you and the chief operating officer were spending money hand over fist—it was flying out the door on staff and capital. You are smiling wryly, but it was a clear pattern of behaviour from you all.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

You talked about the financial situation on emergency UEG away days in the spring. At that point, did you not think to inquire about any of that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

December 2024? Okay.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

You did not take those decisions.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

But you were the person who was saying that you were aiming for the university to become a £500 million-turnover organisation. On what basis did you get the idea that that was possible, when you knew about the underlying challenges in the institution?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

Are you saying that it is a job that people do not want to do because it is too difficult? Not to put too fine a point on it, is that why we ended up with you?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

On a more detailed point, at what point were you told or did you realise that the Exscientia money—£40 million—had been spent?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

We heard in yesterday’s session—again, as you would know if you had listened to it—from several members who gave an account of the long-term strategic challenges of the institution. There is the imbalance between research and teaching income, which I think that you would acknowledge—you have acknowledged in part, in your evidence today, the challenges over a period of time. Is it not right that you bet the future of the whole university, and the city, on rapid and continued growth?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

Universities UK issued a report at the start of 2024 saying that that was not going to be the case. Two major reports were published that sent warning signals about the international recruitment market. Do you recognise that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

The Gillies review says:

“Court was briefed orally by the Principal on the state of financial health of the sector and routinely and confidently advised that Dundee was ‘bucking the trend’ and doing better than most.”

Why did you think that you were immune to an international situation?