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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Michael Marra

My last question relates to that specific issue. One of the issues with the inclusion of children’s services was the fact that most social work practitioners in Scotland had no idea that this was being proposed or that they might, as a result, be transferred from their current employers into some different form of employment that had yet to be decided. Has any proper engagement happened with the profession in that respect?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Michael Marra

That is good to hear. Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Michael Marra

I assume that in the business case and the policy evaluation we would see that great social benefit, the preventative money and where we would save money. I am in full agreement, minister, with regard to those huge, varied benefits, but the reality is that we have to be able to pay for them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Michael Marra

I think so, because we all know the huge costs of the failure to eliminate delayed discharge.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Michael Marra

In your letter to us, you committed to completing stage 1 by 31 January 2024. The convener has it on the record that the financial memorandum should be provided four weeks prior to that date. Working back, we are looking at your having to provide the financial memorandum—by my reckoning—by around 11 December. Do you have a date in your diaries for when you will send the financial memorandum to the committee?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Michael Marra

Have you decided on the inclusion of children’s services?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Michael Marra

Do you have any indication of the costs that are associated with that? That is thousands of staff, isn’t it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Michael Marra

That will be stage 1. Will the cost impacts be included in the financial memorandum?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Michael Marra

It feels to me as though there are an awful lot of moving parts. There have been questions from colleagues about our still being in the depths of co-design and our not having taken a decision on the inclusion of critical areas such as children’s services, around which there are huge financial issues. Taking into account recess, we are looking, by my reckoning, at having to receive that memorandum roughly on 11 December, which is just weeks away. Do we have a draft of the financial memorandum?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Michael Marra

So, she has not given any indication of the spending envelope that might be available.