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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 7 May 2024
Michael Marra
It is not really a matter of doing it differently; it is to do it in line with what your colleague did in providing an updated financial memorandum prior to stage 1, which is what happened with the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. You are citing the standing orders, which seem to be available to your colleagues. Why not follow them in this circumstance?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 7 May 2024
Michael Marra
Okay—we can have a look at that.
I have mentioned three of the bills and financial memorandums that we have had before us. The other one to note is the Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill.
I am keen to hear your reflections on Government practice in regard to financial memorandums, and particularly that to the Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill that is before us. Police Scotland said that the costs were “vastly underestimated” and the Scottish Police Federation said that the estimates were “woefully inadequate”. It is right for us to think about the process by which you arrived at the numbers. Can you describe that process to the committee? What gateways are in place for costing a bill that comes to you, as cabinet secretary? What other colleagues sign off on that process in agreeing with the costs? How does that go through the Government?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 7 May 2024
Michael Marra
Does that also apply to the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill, the Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill and the Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 7 May 2024
Michael Marra
That is useful. Have outcomes improved?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 7 May 2024
Michael Marra
I talked about a minister challenging—
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 7 May 2024
Michael Marra
At ministerial level, does the finance secretary sign off the financial memorandum for a bill?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 7 May 2024
Michael Marra
So, before we received this, it will have been signed off by the Deputy First Minister, who is the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 7 May 2024
Michael Marra
Cabinet secretary, you have long experience—17 years or so—of being in the Government. Has the process changed during that time?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 7 May 2024
Michael Marra
No, of course not, but you are proposing that a commissioner model would improve outcomes, and I am saying that I do not see the evidence that that has been the case with other commissioners. Given that you are advocating that model, I assume that you have seen the basis on which outcomes have improved for a set of people somewhere.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 7 May 2024
Michael Marra
I understand the technical need for people such as freedom of information commissioners and standards commissioners to oversee Governments and politicians. It is absolutely right and necessary that those people keep an eye on politicians. However, if this is about influence, will there be a conflict in the power structure if we ask politicians to do something and we have lobbyists being held to account on their lobbying? Will that improve outcomes?