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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 October 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Michael Marra

There has been a real-terms cut.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Michael Marra

My contention is about how you are representing your support for increased defence spending while, at the same time, opposing it in a variety of ways on the basis that you claim that you are being short changed in public spending when, in fact, the money is not being attributed on the basis of personnel in Scotland and, overall, the defence budget has to rise faster than the rest of expenditure. I do not understand the Government's position—it cannot claim that both of those things are consistent at the same time.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Michael Marra

You are not including the 14,000 people who are employed in Scotland in that figure of £2.1 billion. That is about money that is attributed to industry, rather than the global figure on defence, isn’t it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Michael Marra

You will recognise that, at a Treasury level, the Government has to make decisions about where it spends the entirety of its budget.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Michael Marra

I agree with that. However, if you want there to be an above-average increase in defence spending, how can you make the argument that you want to have the same average increase for devolved capacity? Do you want defence spending to grow faster or not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Michael Marra

Was it a zero-based budgeting approach? We have talked about that previously, and I believe that that is what the UK Government undertook.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Michael Marra

I want to close on an issue that is directly related to revenue spend. Since 2019, when the Government declared a public health emergency on drugs deaths, more than 6,000 people have died in Scotland. As has been announced today, that is still the highest rate in Europe. It is an appalling record. In the 2024 budget, you made a real-terms cut to alcohol and drug partnerships. Do you think that that decision will be reversed in the forthcoming budget? Is it a decision that you regret? Given that we are talking about a spending review and setting plans for the coming years, is there going to be anything in that spending review that will set out a plan to deal with this horrific national record?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Michael Marra

That is fair.

In your response to GERS, you claim that, in 2023-24, only £2.1 billion of defence spending was actually spent on industry in Scotland. Do you recognise that 75 per cent of defence spending goes on personnel, of whom there are more than 14,000 in Scotland, which is not included in the figure that you used?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Michael Marra

Events will change decisions at the time; I would not expect anything else. However, our concern is that we want to see a level of detail that we can understand on a policy level. Do you now have proposals from your cabinet secretaries in front of you? We are about three months out from the finalisation of the spending review. The UK spending review took 14 months to complete. I understand that you have a more truncated period and that there is a challenge in that, but are you now saying to cabinet secretaries, “No, I don’t agree with you—you have to do less of that; you have to do more of this”? Is that the stage that you are at? Do you have proposals in front of you?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Michael Marra

Good morning, cabinet secretary. I will start with the spending review. The Scottish Fiscal Commission has set out that there will be a gap of £2.64 billion by 2039-40 between projected income and your expenditure plans. Will the spending review close that gap?