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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

But the matter was not resolved. As chair, you could have insisted that the papers be provided, but you did not.

You mentioned your departure. Did anyone tell you that it was time for you to step down from being chair?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Let me turn to the issue of the income from international students. In the previous evidence session that we had on the topic, I said to the then leaders of the university that it was not necessary to have a PhD or decades of experience in a university to understand that the Nigerian currency had collapsed; a subscription to The Economist was sufficient to understand that.

In the early part of 2024, two national reports were published that sounded great alarm and advised caution in relation to UK immigration policy and the international recruitment environment. Did you not take note of those warning signs?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

In the autumn, the underperformance in relation to the September intake accounted for an underperformance of approximately £9 million against the budget. What level of savings was written into the budget at that point?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

After the crisis broke into open public in November, there were months of silence from the leadership of the university. Despite front-page newspaper headlines telling 3,000 members of staff that the university might close, there was silence. Were you one of the people who were advocating for that silence?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Amanda Millar, who do you think is responsible for the hubris?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

Can you name them, for the record?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

I will start with the declaration of my former employment at the University of Dundee in two different spells over a period of 14 years. I certainly know Dr McGeorge personally from that time and, given the focus on personal relationships in the university, I thought it best to declare that to the committee and to the many members of the university community who are watching today, aghast at what has happened to the place that they have all loved, as you have all said that you do.

One of the things that has been said to me most frequently is that these people have set the university alight and then just walked away, so I want to start with your departure, Dr McGeorge. I believe that you were suspended from your position, then you left the employment of the university. Can you tell us the terms under which you left the university?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

The answer to that is no.

Did you sign a non-disclosure agreement with the university?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

I think that people would struggle to believe, given the content of the Gillies report and the evidence that we have heard today, that the crisis that was unfolding behind the scenes played no role in your decision no longer to be the director of finance.