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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 12 November 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 9 September 2026

Michael Marra

I accept the point about the trade-offs and the potential. My concern is that, in the budget process towards the end of this year, we might be told that part of the capital shortfall that the committee is concerned about will be addressed by a bond at some point, with the assumption that that will all be fine, when those trade-offs have not been set out to the Parliament or to the committee in a policy statement. It sounds as though you have not seen that detail. I see shaking heads.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 9 September 2026

Michael Marra

I am happy to hear from the other witnesses, too, but where in the apparatus would we find an objective assessment of the fiscal impact of meeting the costs of an unissued bond, given that we have a constrained fiscal settlement? By that, in technical terms, I mean that the Scottish Government and other devolved institutions have a constrained set of options, whereas the UK Government, as a sovereign issuer of debt, has other options and broader borrowing powers. Who is going to tell us how much this could cost?

11:45

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 9 September 2026

Michael Marra

Thanks very much, convener. I will come to the IPPR first, and I am sure that members will be careful not to scroll through Twitter—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 9 September 2026

Michael Marra

Not at all—innocent until proved guilty.

Although the IPPR is clear that the Government has talked about the scale of the deficit, you said in your written submission that it has failed

“to provide a coherent and credible plan for addressing it.”

Will you expand on that, please?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 9 September 2026

Michael Marra

I want to ask about a couple of particulars. First, on the 3 per cent target for efficiencies in NHS boards, do you have clarity on whether those efficiencies would accumulate to the health boards or whether they would result in a reduction in the deficit?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 9 September 2026

Michael Marra

So, you do not know.

Do you agree with the IFS’s recommendation that, in the absence of an MTFS this year, this committee might pursue an updated FSDP? Would that be a useful tool?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 9 September 2026

Michael Marra

The sum of £1.4 billion is in addition to that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 9 September 2026

Michael Marra

You mentioned cutting the top tier of management. I imagine that, if we moved from 14 chief executives to two, those 12 chief executives would have to be paid off, and any organisation would have to deal with those costs over a period of time. Therefore, initial up-front investment would be needed to allow the change to be made. Is that the case?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 9 September 2026

Michael Marra

Are you worried about up-front costs, which Stephen Boyd mentioned, because we have a short period to address the fiscal deficit and find a path to balance?

11:15

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 9 September 2026

Michael Marra

Professor Gallagher, does the programme for government set us on a path to sustainability? Is there any clarity on that?