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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 February 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

On that matter, we will stick with our answers to those questions. I do not think that the costs have changed at all. I believe that certain technicalities, on which I am not an expert, have to be looked at in more detail, but I do not believe that the costs that we have put in have changed significantly from the evidence that you have already taken.

Roz and Charlie, do you have anything to add?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I do not believe that what you are saying is correct. I do not agree with that.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I said in my opening statement that there would have to be additional resources. At no point in part 1 am I saying that the police or authorities would have to work off the budgets that they have. There will have to be additional resources, and I have made that clear in my financial memorandum.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I will bring in my colleague Charlie Pound on technical issues.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

No. I engaged with Dr Emma Forbes from the Crown Office, but I did not ask that question.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I do not accept that it could retraumatise victims.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

You have put three points to me. I will pass the first two to Charlie Pound, but I will take the final point, which was about MAPPA not being designed for domestic abuse. When the Scottish Government was working to create the Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Act 2023, it specified that those subject to notification requirements under the Sexual Offences Act 2003 could not be released early via regulations. The Government also included domestic abuse offenders in that list, using the same definition that we have included in the bill, so I absolutely reject the idea that MAPPA is not designed for that.

Even though we do not have statistics, we have also heard that MAPPA already covers some of that stuff, but that it is not written into statute. To be honest, there is a lack of accurate data, which we asked the minister about. MAPPA was made for sex offenders, but it has moved on and it covers a lot of other things, although those are not covered by statute and it does not say that those things have to be covered. That is why, as I said in one of my earlier answers, it is important that we add domestic abuse. MAPPA deals with sex offenders, serious offenders and the risk to public health, and I would like to add domestic abuse offenders to that list.

I hand over to my colleague Charlie Pound to respond to your first two points.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

As I mentioned earlier, I believe that the issue is very clear. The public purse is spending £7 billion over a three-year period, and I am asking for only 0.5 per cent of the justice budget for this work. It will help, and it will bring down costs, but I am not saying that it is cheap. As I have said, the bill, especially part 1, comes with a cost.

The other areas that I have highlighted in my answers to questions and in my opening remarks do not involve significant costs—that should be made clear. The majority of the cost will be down to the register.

I ask Roz Thomson and Charlie Pound whether there is anything to add from the financial side.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I am not saying that there is no evidence base for it.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I do not have the balance sheet. You are probing at something, but I am making it very clear. To make it even clearer: I am not in Government so I cannot answer your question, because I do not have the balance sheet that shows where every penny is spent, whether that is on bad projects or good projects—I have no idea. I will say that the cost is only 0.5 per cent of the budget. Right now, the Government is spending £7 billion over three years, which is a lot of money. There you go: if you wanted me to say where the money would come from, that is a saving.