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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 September 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

If you have any information on how we can balance those rights, it would be great for the committee to see it. It is about having that balance and respecting both sets of rights. From what we have heard, there are people who are feeling that, so we must make sure that we can achieve a balance. If there is anything that you can send to the committee, it would be very welcome.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

The committee has heard from many witnesses that they have a worry that the bill will exclude women and girls in minority groups from accessing single-sex services and spaces. What is your view on that, Barbara?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Professor Sullivan, on that point, do you know whether data on bad-faith actors is collected elsewhere or whether things have happened elsewhere? What about the concerns in relation to women of faith?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I have one last point on that. Do you believe that it is important that we collect data on bad-faith actors and on women of faith to ensure that nobody is excluded from any service or place, such as those in the health system?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning, panel. Thank you for your opening statements and the evidence that you have provided. I will go a little bit more into what my colleague Maggie Chapman just talked about.

Some of the opposition to the GRA reform has focused on the potential impact on women and girls, particularly in relation to single-sex services and exceptions in the Equality Act 2010. The SHRC submission refers to the “Interdependence of human rights” and states that the rights of women and trans individuals “go hand in hand.”

Will you explain further what that means? Is it possible that the GRA reform will cause conflict between the rights of trans individuals and any other groups, such as religious groups?

I will go to Ian Duddy and Barbara Bolton first. They have talked about what the bill would not touch on.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

You have said that more work needs to be done. Is that in line with the bill being introduced?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Basically, more work has to be done. With the bill having been introduced, has that been identified? I have mentioned that there could be more people coming forward, so we have to ensure the readiness of our systems and databases for that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Naomi Cunningham, can you touch on women of faith and on religion? You probably know that the committee has discussed that. How do we ensure that those women do not feel excluded, for example in a swimming pool changing room? Are we going backwards? Please stop me if I am not allowed to say this, but we heard in a private session that people may not want to go into changing rooms and may decide just to shop online in case someone else is there. How do we ensure that everyone is included and not excluded? Can you say a little about that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

We heard privately from one such organisation. I was thinking about the religious side of things—not just services but what happens when people use places and come outside. How do we make sure that everyone is included?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you. It is very important that we hear from those organisations to ensure that the bill includes and represents everyone in Scotland.