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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I do not think that it will.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

My question is just on the back of what the minister said.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I have two supplementaries, following on from Tess White’s questions.

Minister, the recent decisions by the UK Supreme Court in London and by the Court of Session in Edinburgh have made it clear that women and girls need to be protected. Single-sex spaces and services are vital for their protection, yet all too often the Scottish Government has put gender ideology above the rights of women and girls. Will the Scottish Government be implementing the EHRC’s interim update on the practical implications of the UK Supreme Court judgment?

Also, do you not think that, the longer that you wait, the more that you are not only putting women and girls at risk, but leaving public bodies liable in cases such as the Sandie Peggie case? You have updated us a little bit on that matter, but I am concerned about what happens while we wait. People are being affected every day. Women and girls are not protected at this moment, even though the judgment has been issued. Will you clarify what you are doing now, while you are waiting for certain things to come through?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you. Convener, I have one more question, which touches on budgeting. Can I ask that quickly?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

In the past, you have spoken to the committee about ensuring that, when we implement something, every department understands what the budget is for, whether that is for women and girls, for people in poverty or for disability, and that they make sure that it is aligned throughout every department. At that time, it was said that there were gaps for some issues. I want to ensure that we do not face the same situation when the EHRC guidance comes and that we make sure that it is implemented right through each department.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Minister, when you have been in the committee in the past, we have spoken about budgeting across all the departments and asked how we ensure that, throughout its work, each department adheres to women’s rights and other rights. Can you guarantee that every department will implement, for example, the EHRC guidance? As Cat McMeeken said, the policy might sit in different areas, such as education, or it might sit in your area. We have not yet got the budgeting right to implement a lot of this. What guarantees can you give that every department will implement the EHRC guidance and that everybody soaks it up in relation to single-sex spaces, places and services?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you—that would be really helpful.

Minister, to follow on from Tess White’s question on engagement, women’s rights groups, including For Women Scotland, feel neglected by the Scottish Government. That was especially true during the debate on the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill, when the Scottish Government spent more time engaging with groups that supported the bill.

What is the Scottish Government doing to ensure that, going forward, all sides are heard equally? Will you, in your ministerial role, personally guarantee that women’s groups such as For Women Scotland, and groups such as Sex Matters and LGB Alliance, will be called for evidence?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you, Cat—if you could write to me on that, that would be great.

You mentioned that information will come forward from the Sullivan review and that there is a lot in it to unpack. Parts of that review are for the UK Government to act on, but there are also implications for the Scottish Government. Do you have a date for the information coming forward?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

It was in relation to children’s gender markers.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

It is very good to hear that you will move at pace because, as I said, this is about protection. It is also about rights, so there could be more court cases.

I wrote to you asking whether the Scottish Government will implement the recommendations of the Sullivan review on collecting data based on biological sex. Your response to my written question stated:

“The Scottish Government has previously committed to reviewing its guidance on collecting data on sex and gender by the end of 2026 as part of the Non-Binary Equality Action Plan.”—[Written Answers, 17 April 2025; S6W-36211]

When my colleague Tess White highlighted in the chamber last week that there is a “serious safeguarding risk” with regard to changing the gender marker of children in national health service records, she received a non-answer from the Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice. As the Minister for Equalities, can you give me a clear answer as to whether the children’s gender markers should be changed in NHS records?