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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 January 2026
Paul O'Kane
I absolutely recognise a lot of that, but the Scottish Fiscal Commission suggests that council funding is going to drop for many of the services to which the cabinet secretary refers. I have heard her say before that schools are required to do a lot of the scaffolding. If you are going to cut health and social care partnership budgets, social work and other support that sits around that, you will not be able to fill the gap in schools. There seems to be a lack of focus on the reductions to local authority budgets, which will inevitably have an impact.
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 January 2026
Paul O'Kane
That is not what we hear from local authorities.
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 January 2026
Paul O'Kane
If you are returned to government, are you going to preside over what the SFC has outlined? I accept what you say in relation to the one-year budget that we are discussing, but it is the future planning that I am interested in.
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 January 2026
Paul O'Kane
I am not sure that I would call the largest uplift to the settlement marginal and I do not think that some of the commentary around that does that. We could get into the debate around what the cabinet secretary would suggest is done in order to ensure—
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 January 2026
Paul O'Kane
I am quite sure that you do, and I am quite sure that we have heard it before.
I wonder whether I can turn to capital. We discuss that a lot and the cabinet secretary is always keen to point to the Government’s record on capital investment. However, the Scottish Fiscal Commission projects that there would be a decrease in capital spending, including financial transactions, of 3.9 per cent in cash terms, which is down 6 per cent in real terms. What is the cabinet secretary’s view of what that would mean for the education estate? I appreciate that she is going to tell me all that has happened in the estate, but that there is still work to do.
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 January 2026
Paul O'Kane
On that point, does the cabinet secretary accept that, as was reported on recently in The Herald, some of that work was done pre-2007 and that the baseline has moved?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 January 2026
Paul O'Kane
The cabinet secretary is keen to point to the role that local government plays and the 32 different versions of provision, which she often alludes to. What is her view on the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities’ comments that the budget does not address the scale of pressures that councils face? The commentary around that is that councils are considering council tax increases. Does she recognise that the projected reductions in council budgets will have an impact on resourcing? We have had a debate in the chamber about classroom resources and what is available to teachers. Does the cabinet secretary share COSLA’s concerns?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 January 2026
Paul O'Kane
Does the cabinet secretary recognise that there is a resourcing challenge here? This brings me back to the exchange that we had on local authority budgets. I recognise a lot of what she has said about trying to get some standardisation or commonality of service, if you like, but she will recognise that local authorities often have to make decisions that are based on children having to have higher tariff needs or to be higher on a staged intervention—or STINT—scale, for example. That is because—let us be honest—the resource is often just not there to provide more specialised support, such as individual PSAs, to pupils. She will recognise the resourcing problem that exists in that respect.
I declare an interest: I used to work for Enable Scotland, which, back in 2016 or 2017, authored a report on the presumption of mainstreaming and the 22 steps to inclusion that would be required. I recall John Swinney embracing that report at the time and saying that the Government would take action on a number of its recommendations, which cover what we are discussing today.
That has not happened. Do you have any reflections on that, given how long your party has been in government?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 January 2026
Paul O'Kane
The cabinet secretary perhaps did not pick up on my point that, 10 years ago, in the previous session of Parliament, organisations were making the same points, particularly around data and around what we do not know.
I appreciate that the cabinet secretary said earlier that she does not want to be bound by the decisions of her predecessors, but what has the Government been doing? We are now, at the end of this session of Parliament, talking about collecting data and reviewing much of the provision, but such calls have been made for 10 years or more.
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 January 2026
Paul O'Kane
Would the cabinet secretary accept that, with the presumption to mainstream, people were ringing alarm bells about their concerns about inclusion and making sure that young people were properly included?