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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 May 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 8 June 2023

Paul O'Kane

Convener, are you happy for Susan McGhee to come in before I ask my final question?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 8 June 2023

Paul O'Kane

We have spoken about two-year-olds, but I am keen to understand a bit more about school-age children who do not currently have clear eligibility in that space. Do you have a view on what kind of eligibility for school-age children would be the most helpful in trying to ensure that we support people into work and keep people in work? The Government is considering all of that.

I do not know whether anyone wants to add anything—I appreciate that it is a big question.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 8 June 2023

Paul O'Kane

Yes.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 8 June 2023

Paul O'Kane

I am particularly interested in eligibility and how we continue to expand provision, particularly for different age ranges. I will start with the work that has been done for two-year-olds. Audit Scotland’s recent report highlighted that progress is being made but that work still has further to go. I want to get a sense from the witnesses of whether we are getting it right in identifying eligible two-year-olds. Do councils need to use more of their discretionary powers to get to more families? What is your sense of what is currently happening?

Susan McGhee, would you like to start?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 8 June 2023

Paul O'Kane

The committee received a submission from Early Years Scotland that focused on the point that the thresholds for access to that childcare are quite limiting. I think that 25 per cent of two-year-olds are eligible and many families are missing out. My question is whether those thresholds are right or whether we need to look at them and expand access. Susan McGhee, do you want to comment on that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 8 June 2023

Paul O'Kane

I will follow up on that point. A lot of our discussion has been about universal provision for three and four-year-olds. Are there significant challenges to universal provision for two-year-olds? What work can you see being done that might move us towards that position?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Charities (Regulation and Administration) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Paul O'Kane

Thank you. I am just trying to understand. Amendment 1 removes OSCR’s unilateral power to make a decision to remove someone’s details, perhaps without their consent. Are there scenarios in which that power would be required? An individual might not see the risk to themselves, but there might be a wider risk meaning that action would need to be taken.

What discussion was there with OSCR on the provision? Was OSCR concerned that it would require that unilateral power?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Charities (Regulation and Administration) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Paul O'Kane

I come to the bill without having heard all the evidence that other committee members have heard. What was the rationale for enabling OSCR to remove someone’s details of its own accord? Would that have been done when there might have been a risk to the person who was registered? I just want to understand the Government’s rationale in lodging an amendment that would mean that OSCR would not have that power.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Charities (Regulation and Administration) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Paul O'Kane

I engaged in this discussion in the stage 1 debate, when I said that I shared several of the concerns that Jeremy Balfour and a number of churches have raised. The argument has been well rehearsed in the chamber and elsewhere. There is a challenge. Obviously, the Government has agreed to a year’s grace period for the implementation of the provisions of the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2016, but there is serious concern about the fact that, rather than a solution to the issue being put forward, we have simply had a pause.

There is a balance to be struck. Part of that balance is about ensuring that we have transparency with regard to who has a controlled interest in land and property. If we can ensure that information on trustees is transparently available via the Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator process, and thereby remove the burden from churches, it might be worth considering Jeremy Balfour’s amendment in more detail. The Church of Scotland passed that deliverance at its general assembly just last week. We need to take cognisance of that.

09:15  

I am keen to understand the definition of “religious charity” as outlined in Mr Balfour’s amendment. Is there a legal definition of a religious charity? I am playing devil’s advocate—pardon the pun—but I just want to understand whether, for example, someone could set up a religious charity to try to mask the fact that they own land. I am not saying that that would happen; I am just trying to understand whether the term “religious charity” relates to a church or religious group or whether the definition is wider.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Charities (Regulation and Administration) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Paul O'Kane

Thank you.