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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 May 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Paul O'Kane

I am interested in that analysis, because we have had a lot of discussion in committee about the need to have good data and to analyse exactly what has happened in relation to the expansion to 1,140 hours.

I am particularly interested in one and two-year-olds, particularly those who are care experienced and those who are in households where people are not in work. What depth will the research in relation to the one and two-year-old offer go into to better inform how we move forward?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Paul O'Kane

I have a brief supplementary question on the uptake of the Scottish child payment. The cabinet secretary will recall that I asked the First Minister about the concern that 60,000 families might miss out on payments. He gave the guarantee that work was being undertaken to ensure that we reach as many families as possible. Will the cabinet secretary update the committee on the progress of that work?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Paul O'Kane

Good morning to the panel and to the minister.

Thinking about the current childcare offer and the plans that were announced in relation to expansion, to what extent does the Government expect the childcare policy to reduce child poverty in time to meet the 2030 targets that were set through the Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Paul O'Kane

That was a useful answer in relation to the Government, but the nature of the work in this area is such that it involves other agencies. Local government is a strong partner in that work, but it faces huge challenges, not least on resource. Can the cabinet secretary say something about the Government’s work with local government on that agenda?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Paul O'Kane

I opened by talking about rural issues, particularly rural transport. For many rural communities, accessing transport that takes you to work or opportunities for various levels of education or sport is a huge issue. I am keen to discuss the potential of digital demand responsive transport. Although it has been highlighted that it should not be a replacement for wider services, it has had a role to play—for example, people will remember that dial-a-bus services were a feature of our transport network for some time. Can you comment on the potential of such transport to support people, particularly in rural communities, who need extra help to get to the various places that I have mentioned?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Paul O'Kane

I just want to expand on the theme that colleagues have been interrogating.

The 2019 act gives local authorities the provision to run services. We have already had some discussion on that, and I appreciate Paul White’s comment about municipality not necessarily being a panacea. We know that local bus services in Scotland have dropped 38 per cent since 2007, and thousands of routes have been lost. Often those routes connect communities to other services such as rail services, but they also help people in rural communities get to and access work.

We have had a four-year delay in the secondary legislation to enable local authorities to explore and take forward much of this work. In your view, what impact has that delay had? Perhaps I can come to Paul White first of all.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Paul O'Kane

Paul Finch, do you want to comment?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Paul O'Kane

The interesting thing about that is that you have to have access to the technology. Do you see those two things as sitting quite close together? We need to deal with the digital exclusion part as well as making the services available to people.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Paul O'Kane

Mick Hogg, how does digital use affect the rail network and people’s ability to access new services? Is there a concern about people with additional support needs, who may rely on digital but also need human staff there to support them? Do we need to look at both those things?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Paul O'Kane

On the question of how we might sustainably support services to offer additionality in the core services in bus, rail et cetera, Paul Finch mentioned community transport, and a lot of community transport organisations do an excellent job on additionality but struggle with the sustainability of funding. Do these digital demand responsive services and community services need to become much more involved in mainstream funding instead of just being pilot innovations that do not command confidence?