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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 January 2026
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

Paul O'Kane

Good morning, cabinet secretary and officials.

We have had a number of meetings on appointees, and we have heard some evidence about the interaction between the Department for Work and Pensions system and that of Social Security Scotland and about the reciprocal arrangements for recognising appointees. We know that Social Security Scotland already recognises DWP appointees as part of the transfer process that is under way, but, because witnesses have spoken about that, it would be useful to know how we can better streamline processes, so that that recognition happens more easily and continues to happen in the future and so that someone who is recognised in one system is also recognised in the Scottish system.

Cabinet secretary, would you like to make a general comment on that? We can then see if there are any follow-up questions.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

Paul O'Kane

Thank you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

Paul O'Kane

We are not starting from scratch, because information is shared, but it is useful to understand that extra process at Social Security Scotland.

For the record, and for those of us who were not here when the bill was introduced, do you want to say what some of the additional checks are?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Paul O'Kane

That is fair. I decided to go to the middle—I do not know why I did that.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Paul O'Kane

Good morning. I will begin by looking at the theme of redeterminations. Social Security Scotland’s client survey suggested that most people who think that a decision has been wrong do not actually ask for it to be redetermined. Many of the reasons for that are focused around the idea that the redetermination will not be successful. What more could and should Social Security Scotland do to support clients to request redeterminations?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Paul O'Kane

That practical example is helpful, thank you. I am sure that we will want to explore that in more detail. Richard Gass, would you like to add anything about your experience?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Paul O'Kane

That is an interesting point. There is a variance of views on whether people are more exposed in a rural area and whether there is more stigma. We would certainly want to consider that; it is a useful point.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Paul O'Kane

Thanks for that. I recall the discussions at the time of the passage of the bill around how that system might work. It might also tie into the point about accessibility. The process might be a more accessible if you go straight to an appeal. Do you feel that, in terms of some of the points that Erica Young made about accessibility, it would be easier if we just went straight to that process?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Paul O'Kane

Great, thank you. I have a question about some of the challenges arising from differences in where people live. Are there differences between rural, semi-rural and urban areas in terms of clients’ experiences of redetermination?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Paul O'Kane

I have just lost my place in my papers, convener. Can you give me one moment?