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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 January 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Paul O'Kane

I agree that the placement must be appropriate for the best interests of a child; what this legislation does is create several processes to go through that. If it is in the best interests of the child and there is an urgency to the placement, do you recognise the risk to children and young people who are living in England or Northern Ireland if they cannot quickly access the placement that is required in Scotland?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Paul O'Kane

What further consultation or discussion have you had with those in the secure care sector around the concerns that they raised about the impact that limiting cross-border placements would have on the services that they run in Scotland?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Paul O'Kane

I was not a member of the committee when evidence was taken on the Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill. However, my understanding, from reading some of the exchanges and evidence that was given, is that part of the rationale for reducing cross-border placements was—this was, I think, from the Scottish Government and the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland—to try to force the English system to become better by reducing the amount of placements that came to Scotland and therefore compelling the previous UK Government to do better.

From your exchange with Mr Rennie, I understand that the numbers have decreased. From what you have said, minister, you appear to be having a positive and fruitful dialogue with the new UK Government about what it is doing to improve the system. If the numbers have gone down and there is now an improvement, if you like, in the system in England—which is very welcome, of course—does the rationale for reducing cross-border placements still stand?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Paul O'Kane

That is helpful for clarity.

I will move on to the strategic group and the idea of a review. People are slightly conflating that with the fact that there is a strategic group that is doing work but there is not yet an independent review. It would be useful to understand your view of that for the Official Report.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Paul O'Kane

Certainly. What was your understanding of what John Swinney meant when he said that recovery in our schools was a priority? What should that look like by the end of the parliamentary session?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Paul O'Kane

I have a closing comment, because I am conscious that the convener wants to move on. As I think that I said in the chamber during the statement, we accept that, but we need to be careful and drill down into exactly what we are talking about in terms of statistics, rather than grouping together the entire primary experience into one measure.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Paul O'Kane

That was quite a long answer—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Paul O'Kane

—but the question was: what was the sum total of the Government’s ambition when it talked about recovery being a priority? Was it about turning a corner three months out from the end of the Parliament, or did you have some vision that we would be further on? Attendance, for example, is at 91 per cent, which is below the pre-Covid average of 93 per cent—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Paul O'Kane

With respect, cabinet secretary, I have done that. I was an education convener for five years as well as a member of an improvement collaborative, and I worked closely with a wide range of teachers in the west. You are indeed right that there was a variance of opinion, but a lot of learning could be taken from RICs such as the West Partnership.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Paul O'Kane

I was making more a general point about the fact that, in the six-year period in which we have not been in Erasmus+, SEEP has only just reached the test-and-learn phase. Was SEEP at a stage at which it was going to expand, prior to the news this morning?