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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 18 March 2026
Paul O'Kane
That is a challenge. After all, you will want to spend every penny on delivery, because you know that it works, but you have to be able to evidence that, too. It is a bit of chicken-and-egg thing.
We have heard examples this morning from the east and the north-east of the country; Willie Rennie has talked about Fife; and I have talked about the west coast. This is happening in every corner of the country, and it is crucial that we pull all that evidence together so that we can take more of a national approach. That is my view.
Coming back to the academic partnership that you mentioned, Mark, I am interested in hearing about your work with RGU, with which you are closely aligned and associated. How much has the university been an anchor and support for you not only in resource terms but in helping you establish that evidence base?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 18 March 2026
Paul O'Kane
Debbi, you mentioned the University of Edinburgh. Are you in the early days of that partnership? Has it been established for quite a while?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 18 March 2026
Paul O'Kane
Good morning. I want to follow up on some of the themes that colleagues have raised, and especially Willie Rennie’s point about the need for people to have a wider understanding of the benefits of the work that you do and the need to communicate that across Scotland, because we know that there are similar projects in every part of the country.
In my area, I do a lot of work with Mark Breslin, who runs Barrhead Amateur Boxing Club. He is also a senior lecturer in the school of education at the University of Glasgow. Mark has done an academic study on activity in the area, which you might be familiar with, which is entitled, “Beyond the classroom: strengthening pupil engagement, attendance and belonging through alternative education and community partnerships”. Many of the themes that you are talking about can be recognised in his paper. It is good to see that there is robust academic evidence for the impact that such work has.
I do not know whether you have engaged with that research. Debbi is nodding, which is a good sign. Do you feel that such research is helpful in enabling the committee and its successor to understand how we can do better when it comes to funding and supporting such work on a national level?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 18 March 2026
Paul O'Kane
That is true, but it is extremely valuable in quantifying and qualifying what we are talking about. I should have mentioned that the piece of work to which I referred was co-produced by Jesse Mitchell, who is principal teacher in health and wellbeing at St Luke’s high school in Barrhead.
We talk about alternatives to school, but those alternatives do not sit in isolation from school. You guys will work in tandem and in partnership with schools, which is encouraging.
Mark, do you have any reflections on that?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 18 March 2026
Paul O'Kane
That was useful. Again, it will be for our successor committee to reflect on that issue and take it forward.
Convener, I am happy to share the academic paper that I referenced with the clerks so that it can be shared with other committee members. Given that it was co-produced by a principal teacher of St Luke’s high school, I should declare that I am a former pupil of the school.
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2026
Paul O'Kane
I will follow on from the point about teachers’ views of the curriculum improvement cycle. We have heard a lot this morning about what teachers feel that they need in order to engage properly, and we have covered in detail the point about INSET days and so. However, I have spoken to some teachers who feel some trepidation about ensuring that we get this right. I spoke to a number of religious, moral and philosophical studies teachers, particularly about the Es and Os and some of the challenges in the denominational and non-denominational sectors. There is a sense of anticipation about the opportunity but also some trepidation. Does Mr Harvey want to reflect on that and say what more we can do to give confidence to rank-and-file teachers about their role in this?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2026
Paul O'Kane
Do you think that teachers are scunnered?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2026
Paul O'Kane
Does anyone else want to offer a reflection on any of that?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2026
Paul O'Kane
We must also reflect on the work of college partners, as well as Professor Hayward’s work, because we do not want to exclude that from the broader conversation. Perhaps Professor Hayward will comment on that, but do you want to comment first, Donna?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 March 2026
Paul O'Kane
Dr Bloomer, do you have a view on whether we need to revisit much of the debate around the role of the chief education officer in local authorities, with a direct read-across to the curriculum?