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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Katy Clark

I put the same question to Police Scotland. I take on board the point that local authorities might be better placed to answer this but, in Police Scotland’s experience, is the resource being put in place, given that this is a significant shift in policy?

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Katy Clark

I have a question about legislation, but I am not sure whether it is appropriate to ask it at this point.

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Katy Clark

My next question is about the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971. The witnesses have made clear that wider social and economic issues are primary drivers of the drug problem, so the legislative framework around it is exceptionally important. People have talked about safe consumption rooms, for example, and a debate is going on about the legal framework around the issue.

In relation to the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971, what kind of changes are the witnesses looking for in the legislative framework? What do they believe can be done in the current legislation? Do they argue for the devolution of drugs policy and, if so, what real changes are they looking for? I will ask some of the campaigners first. Could Peter Krykant briefly outline where he thinks we need to move in relation to the legislative framework around drugs?

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Katy Clark

I will put the same question to David Liddell. Do you agree with Peter Krykant?

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Katy Clark

We are short of time so, if other campaigners or those with lived experience have a different view or approach, it would be useful to know but, if not, perhaps the Crown Office could be asked whether it believes that safe consumption rooms are possible within the current legislative framework.

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Katy Clark

I want to pick up on a couple of the points that have been made. Peter Krykant spoke about the production and supply of drugs. As he knows, at the moment, the issue of drugs is completely tied up with organised crime, and a lot of the money ends up in places such as Afghanistan. Does Mr Krykant believe that it would be possible to bring the whole production and supply process into a legal framework that would not involve organised crime and despotic regimes? That seems to be the model that he is advocating, but is it completely possible? I can see how it might be possible in relation to drugs such as cannabis, but is it feasible for drugs such as heroin?

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Katy Clark

We are not really talking about something that is equivalent to fair-trade coffee, then. You said that you were worried about the small farmers. However, they are not the ones who make big money out of the drugs industry; it is the drugs cartels, which are dripping in money and blood. The challenges are massive.

Criminal Justice Committee

Misuse of Drugs and the Criminal Justice System

Meeting date: 27 October 2021

Katy Clark

You make that point powerfully. Those are important issues. Thinking through the detail is part of the discussion that we need to have about what alternatives there might be to the current legislative regime.

I have a question for the drug deaths task force. We have discussed prisons and the massive challenge that we face. The biggest changes over the past five decades have probably been in the level of drugs misuse in society that is connected to crime and the level of drugs within prisons, which impacts on how the Scottish Prison Service is able to manage prisons. Have the recommendations that were made in April 2020 about adequate provision for prisoners after liberation been implemented? That question is for Neil Richardson.

Criminal Justice Committee

Legal Aid

Meeting date: 29 September 2021

Katy Clark

Given the current crisis, are you expanding the Public Defence Solicitors Office? Are you recruiting? How does the pay compare with the pay for the types of solicitors in private practice to whom Ian Moir referred?

Criminal Justice Committee

Legal Aid

Meeting date: 29 September 2021

Katy Clark

My question is to Julia McPartlin and Ian Moir. Exactly what level of increase are you suggesting there needs to be in legal aid fees? Are you suggesting that the restructuring of legal aid to encourage pleas at an early stage would be sufficient to enable better recruitment for criminal defence agents or are you suggesting a percentage increase across the board on criminal legal aid rates? What kind of percentage is necessary now to enable you to recruit into the sector?