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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 July 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Katy Clark

I will follow up on why a different composition might lead to different outcomes. Presumably, the science would be the same; the council would draw from the same scientific community. From what the witnesses have said, I get the impression that the questions that are put to the scientific community might be different and might be asked decades earlier, but that that might drive research. Is that a fair reflection, or are there additional factors that might mean that there would be a different outcome from the current position?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Katy Clark

I have a slightly different question about some evidence that we heard earlier. There was a suggestion that there might be fewer personal injury cases if the new body was recommending awards. That might not matter so much in the public sector, where all the money comes out of the same pot, but have you given any thought to how that might affect the private sector? I do not need detailed responses now, but can you point to anything that would help us to ensure that employers take responsibility?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Katy Clark

Perhaps Norman Provan would like to contribute. He has spoken about Covid a couple of times. Norman, do you think that a different composition of the council and a different way of doing things could lead to quicker outcomes or different outcomes?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Katy Clark

As the witnesses will appreciate, the committee has been looking at whether setting up a new council in Scotland would add value or whether there would be duplication with IIAC’s current role.

We have heard evidence in relation to long Covid, firefighter cancers and so on. How would the new council relate to the existing UK body? How can we ensure that there is added value and avoid duplication?

I will perhaps ask the professor first—although you are in the room, deputy convener, so you will know who wants to come in.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Katy Clark

I will pick up on what has been said. In the previous evidence session, which the witnesses might have heard, the view was that 50 per cent of the council seats should be held by trade union representatives. The bill suggests a composition of 12 members. Could you say more about whether you think the proportions of the new council’s membership are important? What should those proportions be? We have already heard about trade union representation, but what should the employer and academic representation be?

Given that I am not in the room, it might be better if the deputy convener could bring in a witness who looks like they would like to respond.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Katy Clark

I cannot see who would like to come in. Would Ian Tasker like to come in?

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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Katy Clark

Okay, so that would inform decisions that were taken thereafter.

Criminal Justice Committee

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Katy Clark

It seems to me that there are two issues. The first is how we reduce the number of deaths in custody and the second is the systems that are in place when there is a death in custody. From my experience elsewhere, it seems that greater political oversight can have an impact on the number of deaths in custody. I have been quite surprised by the numbers. The scrutiny by ministers and the committee is really important in that area. I agree with the points in relation to the issues around what happens after a death.

The recommendations need to be implemented, but it is not necessarily the case that we need a completely different system. That would be quite a significant decision and one that we would need to scrutinise very carefully.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Katy Clark

I just wanted to pick up on the issue of duplication. The bill that we, as a committee, are scrutinising seeks to set up a Scotland-wide body. We want to do that, because the status quo is not good enough; we want to do something that is better than what is there already.

The witnesses have outlined quite clearly the scale of the problem in Scotland. Do you have any thoughts or pointers to give on recommendations that the committee might make on protecting the expertise in the current system that is drawn on across the UK to ensure that there is collaboration and to enable us to build on that? Do you have any thoughts on what the committee might want to consider in that respect? I will go to Professor Macdonald first.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Katy Clark

Perhaps we, as a committee, can look at whether the bill is framed in a way that maximises collaboration and avoids duplication.