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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Katy Clark

Thank you, Stephanie, for being so brave as to come along today. It must be incredibly difficult. From what you said to Rona Mackay, it sounds as though you did not have a single point of contact and had to deal with quite a number of individuals, which is clearly a major issue.

I want to ask you about the duty of candour that the bill would create. Do you feel that there was candour from the police in your situation? Would such a duty have made a difference?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Katy Clark

Thank you very much, Maggie, for being willing to speak to the committee.

You are suggesting that we start again with the complaints process. The PIRC, which is what we have at the moment, has been in place for only a relatively short period of time—just a few years—and you have talked about wanting an organisation with a different set of morals. How would you ensure that any new system does not fall into any traps or failings that the PIRC has? Do you not think that the PIRC could be reformed to incorporate some of the changes that you are suggesting?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Katy Clark

The Scottish Government’s preferred implementation option is to have an agency agreement with the Department for Work and Pensions. What are the advantages of an agency agreement with the DWP for the recovery of compensation payments? Perhaps Alan Rogerson would like to come in first.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Katy Clark

That is helpful. Lynne Macfarlane, do you want to come in on that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Katy Clark

Are there any other changes that you have not highlighted but that you feel need to be made to the redetermination process? That is for Erica Young first.

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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Katy Clark

Thank you. Would any of the other witnesses like to comment?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Katy Clark

I will pick up on the point that Alastair Ross has just made. If, for any reason, the Scottish Government and the DWP were unable to negotiate an agency agreement, what other options might be available? You have alluded to one option.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Katy Clark

That is helpful. Richard Gass, you made some general points about the redetermination and appeal process. Is there anything you can add in relation to changes?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Katy Clark

Therefore, you presume that Social Security Scotland would operate that system.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Katy Clark

Alan Rogerson, are there other options?