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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Katy Clark

Yes, I am.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Katy Clark

That is fine. Thank you very much.

10:45  

Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Katy Clark

So, you would say that there is always the possibility of taking forward a more formal complaint.

From your experience of dealing with different complaints, do you think it is fair to say that there can be inconsistencies? With regard to the cases that you have looked at, do you have any concerns about how specific groups in the community experience their interactions with the police? For example, do you think that there is a social class issue? Is there anything that we need to be aware of?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Katy Clark

My question is not really about process; it is about whether you have come to any conclusions? Have you got any concerns? For example, people in more deprived and poorer communities may get a different service from that which, say, a middle-class woman may get. Is that not something that you would consider?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Katy Clark

I appreciate that, but does the process not still sometimes involve local officers to take forward whatever has come out of the complaint process?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Katy Clark

Yes, but that might often require action by the officer to engage with the constituent and the member of the public to resolve whatever the issue is. Is that fair to say?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Katy Clark

So, you do not have any concerns about whether there is an inconsistency thereafter, and that is not something that you have looked at or have views on. Is that right?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Katy Clark

I appreciate that concerns about service are raised by the public in a number of ways, not always as a formal complaint and, as you said, not always with yourself. From casework from my constituents, it appears that there can be an inconsistency in the way that issues are dealt with, and that there are some specialist staff who are dealing with complaints at a more regional level in a way that shows a high level of training and a specialism in dealing with these kinds of matters. However, when it goes back to a local level, the standard sometimes seems different. Would you recognise that as a fair description? Is that something that you have looked at or have views on? How do we get consistency in how issues are dealt with?

Meeting of the Parliament

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Katy Clark

I press amendment 10.

Amendment 10 agreed to.

Amendment 11 moved—[Katy Clark]—and agreed to.

Amendment 4 moved—[Sharon Dowey]—and agreed to.

Section 3A—Vetting code of practice

Meeting of the Parliament

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Katy Clark

I will speak to amendment 10 first and to amendment 11 later. I believe that the amendments are fairly straightforward. Their aim is to improve transparency and increase the amount of information that is provided to the Parliament.

Amendment 11, which I will speak to later, requires that, when the chief constable lays a revised code, they are also required to lay a statement before the Parliament that summarises any representations that have been made during the consultation and any representations that have not resulted in a revision to the code. The amendments seek to provide the Parliament with information about the arguments and representations that have been made that relate to the code.

The provision in amendment 11 is slightly different to the wording that I proposed in an amendment at stage 2.

My amendments in the group were submitted after discussion with the Scottish Government, and I thank the officials involved for their assistance in drafting them. I hope that the amendments are now drafted in terms that will enable them to have wide support.

I move amendment 10.