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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Katy Clark
In your submission, on the potential reforms that are being considered, you say:
“it is unlikely that we will be in a position to make a final decision before the pre-election period begins in March.”
Can you give us more detail on the work that is being done on service reform and when you expect to make a final decision? Are you able to share any information on the timetable?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Katy Clark
Are some of those issues around climate?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Katy Clark
I understand that you will be publishing your proposals and your thinking, but will all the raw data and submissions be published? Will that be available to the public?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Katy Clark
I am a little concerned that we are straying from the legal point. I understand that you have a long-term programme of work, and I have heard many people mention that wet wipes are being used at the scenes of incidents, but the point that I am making is that you are sending firefighters out when there is no safe system of work and you have legal liability. What is your response to that? It is clear that firefighters are regularly being contaminated when they attend scenes and that there is no safe system of work in that regard.
I appreciate everything that you have said—we have heard that evidence previously—but I need to put to you the point that the fire service is exposed. What is your response to that?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Katy Clark
Will you be publishing submissions?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Katy Clark
There may be practical issues around it, so it would be very helpful if you could write to us about that.
I have a supplementary question that picks up on some of the points that were made at the end of the earlier evidence session, which you may have heard. I know that you are well aware of the risks to firefighters in relation to decontamination and no doubt are giving a great deal of consideration to how the service responds to that. You have already mentioned the requirement to provide a safe system of work for firefighters. Legally, you have to provide a safe system of work and you should not be sending firefighters out unless there is a safe system of work in place. It is quite clear that, currently, there is often no safe system of work. How are you responding to that? What are you doing now to ensure that you meet your legal responsibilities as an employer?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Katy Clark
Do you think that it provides a safe system of work now?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Katy Clark
I want to ask about the fire service’s work on potential reforms. Do you feel reassured that the FBU’s concerns are being listened to in the development of a final set of planned service changes?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Katy Clark
I will not touch on budget and resource issues, because one of my colleagues will ask about that later.
I understand that there are more than 3,700 submissions. Could you give us more detail on the main issues that you are looking at? What is the broad outline of what you are considering and what people are saying to you? Will you be publishing all the submissions, along with a summary of the issues that are raised? How are you going to communicate with everybody on the process that you are going through?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Katy Clark
Will all the submissions be published?