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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 July 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Okay. From what you are saying, time and resource are the two key asks, which I suppose most people would want. However, when it comes to time and resource, what would be the best way to put them in place for people with, in the case of your organisation, alcohol dependency? My follow-up question is based on what you just said about Aberdeen being a good example. How do we see good examples relating to alcohol being rolled out across the country?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

My question is to Susan Webster but is open to anyone else would like to answer. We have heard a lot about the co-design process. What evaluation, safeguards and transparency should we have in primary legislation before we start the co-design process to review what the Scottish Government produces?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

The primary legislation is the framework bill and the co-design is where the implementation will happen and where we will see what the plans are. What needs to be in the framework bill to enable us to evaluate effectively what we get after the co-design process? The bill will be passed—or not passed—before the co-design process.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I turn to Adam Stachura. From speaking to Age Scotland’s Scottish ethnic minority older people forum, it is clear to me that we have not heard enough from people from black, Asian and minority ethnic communities. I would like to know what their hopes and fears are. For example, we spoke about tea. Tea is important to someone who is Indian because we drink chai, not tea. That might seem like a little thing, but it really does matter. Give me a little of the flavour of what you were hearing.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Yes.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I do. I thank Hannah Tweed for that detail.

My last question is for Don Williamson. I want to touch on the issue of black, Asian and minority ethnic carers, which is obviously a topic that I find to be particularly important. We need to do more on that issue.

Only 3 per cent of unpaid carers are able to access paid breaks. Why is that? What are the main barriers to carers’ accessing those breaks?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I can. Thank you.

Many of the witnesses have highlighted a lack of detail. I think that we heard a little bit of that in response to the previous question, but I am afraid that I did not hear all the answers. Starting with Hannah Tweed, will the witnesses highlight any specific areas of the bill on which the Government needs to provide more detail?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I will turn to Peter McCormick. Randolph Hill is concerned about the NCS creating unnecessary bureaucracy. How do you think we can keep that to a minimum?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Rachel Cackett, when I looked at your submission, something stuck out for me. You said:

“in its current form the Bill is a curious mix of specificity in relation to the powers it gives to ministers and permissiveness in relation to the interpretation of the delivery of key principles”.

For clarification, are you saying that the bill gives too many powers to ministers? Would you like to see autonomy retained at local level?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I do not mean to keep picking on you, Rachel, but I want to come back on something that you said. James Dornan talked about this when he asked you about patchy delivery. You have said previously that the status quo is not good enough, and you have talked about that in response to me. With the local governance arrangements that we have now and the way in which ministers are in charge of health and social care, could we not do a lot of things right now without having a national care service bill?