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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 November 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Yes.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Unfortunately, we do not have time to go into all of the detail on why you do not think that the bill will deliver for the people of Scotland, so, could you might write to us with that detail?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I can, and I hope that you get the meeting with COSLA that you would like.

I turn briefly to Donald Macaskill. All the witnesses on the panel have talked about being left out with regard to the sort of secret agreement between the Scottish Government and COSLA. Eddie Follan of COSLA said that there is a very short timetable. Cara Stevenson on the previous panel said that things are moving very slowly, which is perhaps because of the level of engagement. Am I right in thinking that you do not feel engaged? Do you feel that the timetable is arbitrary and that it has been moved once, so it can be moved again to allow you to have engagement?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I declare my interest as a practising NHS GP.

In the previous panel, Cara Stevenson of GMB Scotland raised concerns that the co-design process is merely “a box-ticking exercise”, and that

“the workforce does not have an effective voice.”

Dave Moxham was concerned about transparency.

Do you agree that that is the case for the independent sector? Perhaps Rachel Cackett can start.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Lilian Macer, coming off what Cara Stevenson said, when you said that you wanted to scrap the bill and start again when it comes to workers’ rights, is the reason for the renegotiation to put things in primary legislation? If not, what is your reasoning?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

But could I get a commitment from you to write to us with that detail?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Thank you. My last question is to Dave Moxham. You talked about transparency when it comes to the co-design process. My worry—which Cara Stevenson mentioned earlier—is about it being a box-ticking exercise and there not being an effective voice, not just for workers, but for anyone who turns up to speak at these sessions. I have read the information that the Government put out—on 27 September, I think. It is all very sanitised and neatly packaged. Do you think that it is important to have the raw data out there on what everyone has said, so that we can all see it?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Dr Elder-Woodward, with regard to the panel, you said that you felt as if you were being “used” and that people had no voice. Is that a criticism of co-design or of the whole process?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Cara Stevenson, you said that things are going very slowly when it comes to the NCS, but last week Eddie Follan said that COSLA was dealing with a very short timescale. How do those two things match up?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I again turn to what Eddie Follan said last week. He said that primary legislation is important and that he wants things that he is working on to be in primary legislation. When it comes to guaranteeing workers’ rights and things that you think are important for your members, do they have to be in primary legislation?