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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 November 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I will pick up on that point. Is the bill the only legislation that specifically mentions private dwellings? Do all the pieces of legislation mention them?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Thanks for the presentation. I have a couple of questions. The first revolves around what has been said about a slippery slope argument in other jurisdictions in which measures have been brought in. We are all aware that the reason is very specific and that the scope of the bill is very tight. However, the bill also says something about private dwellings. The slippery slope argument is, “Well, we’ll bring this in here, but maybe we’ll then be able to say that we will do something else a little later, then we will do that something else,” and we start to erode what happens in a private dwelling.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Thank you so much for telling us your stories and what happened.

I declare my interest as a practising NHS GP.

This is a hypothetical question, so if you cannot answer it, do not feel that you need to answer it. The protests that you faced very much involved things happening—Lily’s partner at the time was approached. What impact would silent prayers and vigils potentially have had on you? Obviously, that did not actually happen.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Thank you—that is very helpful.

I open this up to other members of the panel. The bill before us contains provisions that cover putting up posters or signs within private dwellings. We can fully understand the reasons for that. My question to all the panel is whether you think that it is proportionate to have such provisions, and whether you feel that they have been balanced appropriately with the right for people to do almost what they want in their own property.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I want to say that, as a GP, when a woman comes to me to ask for an abortion, it is not just a case of saying yes and moving on. There is a conversation to be had, because it is about safeguarding. People can conscientiously object, but they have to pass that patient on to somebody who can have that conversation. That is quite important.

I want to talk about human rights. I am going to ask some really difficult questions, which could potentially be quite triggering. There is a group of people, in our country and especially in America, who feel that human rights begin at fertilisation—that the embryo is a human with rights and that, in essence, what is occurring is murder. When someone has a view that is so strong and so set that they use a word like that, they want to be heard. They want their human rights and the human rights of the foetus or embryo—whatever term we or they want to give it—to be heard. What is your opinion about what I have just said, and what would you say in response?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I will go slightly off topic, if I may. In Alabama, new legislation has come in on what constitutes a human, and that will make a huge difference to in vitro fertilisation—IVF—treatment over there. What has happened in Alabama marks a huge difference. Opinions change, people change and our thinking changes as time goes on. Do you think that the bill is going to give us future safeguarding in areas such as this when things have happened elsewhere?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

At the moment, there are no protests occurring outside IVF clinics, but, given what has happened in Alabama, let us suppose that that does happen. Do you think that bills such as the one that is before us would give us the flexibility to future proof against anything that happens in the future, or do you think that we might need to come back and consider the matter again if something happens?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

The other question, which has come up in other places, revolves around silent prayer. It is sometimes impossible to know whether people are protesting—sometimes it is possible—if they are standing in a circle and are silent and do not have signs or anything. There is one thing that I would like you to touch on if you can in relation to silent prayer. If you are a nun or a priest, you are more than entitled to wear what you want. That is different to me putting something on and standing somewhere, which would be overt. The question revolves around silent prayer for ordinary members of the public, but also for the clergy, nuns and people such as that.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Yes. Could you expand on the point about what difference it makes if safe access zones are included in protest legislation rather than in other legislation? I am sorry, I have perhaps not quite understood the relevance of that.

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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Thank you, convener—it is just to declare an interest as a practising national health service general practitioner.