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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 July 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I am sorry—can I ask you for the evidence that it has reduced hospital admissions, please?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Was it statistically significant?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

We heard from the previous panel members that money has been generated, although we are not sure how much. It could be between £90 million and £200 million over the three years. It is clear that money has been generated from MUP, but who has that money? Where is it physically going? Whose pocket has it ended up in?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I was speaking to a small business owner—a retailer—who told me that, when she sells alcohol, she listens to the conversations that are going on. She does that because she knows that—I will name the brand—Dragon Soop is very popular with children because of how sweet it is, and that parents are buying it for their kids. When she hears a parent calling their kid to ask which one they want, she refuses to sell it to them. That diminishes her profits, but she does it because she feels that it is the right thing to do. Therefore, convenience stores do a lot of good in this area.

When we are looking at ways of raising money via a levy or at using the money that is generated by MUP—we have agreed that we do not know where that money is; perhaps we need to find out where it is—would it not be useful to consider putting that money back into education, palpable brief interventions and targeted help for people in order to reduce harms?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

My big concern is that MUP should not be generating profit—that should not be what it does. It should be helping people. It would be very helpful to know where the money is so that we can use it to help the people who need it, especially those who are most dependent on alcohol.

From a retailer’s point of view, what else could we be doing to help people who are drinking to harmful levels and dependency? We have spoken about community alcohol partnerships, but what else could we do? In the earlier evidence session, Tracey McFall said that we need a suite of tools, but there do not seem to be any others. We also heard Justina Murray say, “What about everything else?”, when it comes to measures to help. Does the industry have some ideas about what else we could be doing?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I am talking about anything.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I turn to the witnesses who are online. I want to look at the eight studies on health outcomes that have been produced by Public Health Scotland. One study showed some changes, but it was clear that dependent drinkers did very badly. Women drinkers also did rather badly. What are your thoughts about that, and how can we help those groups?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Do you think that we should have the supermarkets appear before us so that we can ask them similar questions?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Good morning. Thank you for coming in.

Alison Douglas, I will start with you. How accurate has the Sheffield model been in each of its iterations prior to its update?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

You said a number of things in that opening answer. You said that 156 lives had been saved as if it were a fact, but that is an estimate based on modelling that is under intense scrutiny. You talked about comprehensive evidence, but you were referring to only one out of the 30 papers that were evaluated.

The other issue that I want to get into here is that of dependent drinkers. How has MUP affected dependent drinkers? Before I come back to Alison Douglas, I would like to bring in Justina Murray.