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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 November 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Okay—that is fine. I just want to be clear. There is a distinction between protest and silent vigils, which is something that we need to look at.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I am also asking about shouting in the street—

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I use the word “protest” because Isabel Vaughan-Spruce spoke about protest and the difference between protest and what she does with vigils.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

It was important to draw that distinction and to understand your point of view on what you and Isabel Vaughan-Spruce termed “protest” and what was being said about silent prayer, which are two slightly different topics.

In the evidence session with the police and the solicitor last week, the committee heard that, if this bill were to pass, there would be no distinction between protesting in relation to abortion—both for and against—or any other forms of protest, regardless of what the protest is. For example, it could be a protest against Eljamel, the health board or whatever. What are your thoughts on that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

That is why primary care is the best type of care.

Thank you very much for that response on what is a very complicated question.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

What are your thoughts on that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

—and shouting at people going into a facility or—

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

Do you feel that that is right, or that it is wrong?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I will be quick. Bishop John, you have handed me some leaflets. I am a doctor, and I think that facts matter. There is really concerning misinformation in the leaflet that I am holding up. It says that one in 17 women ends up in hospital following an abortion, that 100 abortions fail and that evidence suggests that abortion may increase the risk of breast cancer. I could go on. The leaflet that I am now holding up also talks about breast cancer. This next leaflet is factually incorrect. I have googled the figure that it refers to and one of the things that that organisation says on its website is that, with God’s help, it has closed 100 abortion centres. You might disagree with me on whether the leaflets are factually correct, but are they acceptable?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Dr Sandesh Gulhane

I want to end on this theme. We have people who go to work in hospitals, and they should be able to do so without feeling distressed. We have people who are accessing healthcare. It does not matter what that healthcare is—we accept that they should be able to access it without distress. Do you accept that what is happening around Scotland—and potentially around the UK, although we really care about Scotland, because that is where our Parliament is—can and does cause distress to healthcare workers, as we heard from other panels? Do you think that that is fair?