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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. I appreciate that answer.

As you will be aware, part of the concern is about having the time to engage with reform. This is paraphrasing, and I am sure that you will set me right if I am wrong, but you said that support for the reforms among the teaching profession could be waning—that might be the most polite way to say it—from the eager appetite for radical reform that maybe existed in 2021. Might that have something to do with the fact that teachers are facing immediate challenges in the classroom?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that, cabinet secretary, but the commitment was made in the manifesto to elect the current Scottish National Party Government in 2021. Teachers have already been waiting and looking for that for years.

I will move on to breakfast provision and free school meals. There does not appear to be anything in the budget for provision of breakfast in every primary and special school, which was another Government commitment. Does the cabinet secretary expect to deliver free breakfasts in all primary and special schools during the coming year?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Can I ask one final question?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Those conversations across Government will be very interesting, particularly those on local government budgets.

Finally, given what we have just discussed, is the cabinet secretary concerned, as I am, that there is a reduction of about £7.7 million in the support for teachers budget this year?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The best-case analysis of the situation is that the reduction is only £28 million. That is a swingeing cut. The worst-case scenario is that it is nearer £50 million, so to claim that universities are getting the same as last year is just inaccurate.

09:45  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. We will find agreement on much of what the cabinet secretary said about the importance of non-contact time in relation to behaviour in schools and terms and conditions for teachers. However, I heard nothing about what is in this year’s budget to deliver the change this year, so can I assume that the cabinet secretary does not expect the promised reduction in contact time to be delivered this year?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

With respect, cabinet secretary, that is not a statutory requirement that is funded by the Government, which is what the manifesto said would happen. That is the good will of some schools that are using PEF—which is already stretched to the limit—rather than the Government funding a pledge that it made in its manifesto.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

It was your commitment, cabinet secretary.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning, cabinet secretary—I do not think that I said that earlier. Thank you for your contributions so far.

You will be well aware of the importance that I place on non-contact time for teachers. How will the 2024-25 budget support the aim to reduce contact time for teachers?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I do not disagree that it is not the whole answer, but it is the answer that you gave me.

10:30