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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

A number of health organisations have recognised that a national approach could be useful. I do not disagree with what the cabinet secretary has said, but it could be quite cumbersome to have agreements in every case, which is why the idea of a unique learner number has been suggested. Is the Government exploring that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good afternoon to the commissioner and the others who have joined us. Thank you for all the work that you do. It is of huge value to children and young people across Scotland, and I appreciate it.

The report that you published at the beginning of the week is particularly instructive, and some of my questions will relate to it. I specifically want to ask about ASN. In the report, you say that you have intervened in some ASN tribunals. Will you tell us a bit more about the cases where you have intervened?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. For the record, will you also set out how you choose the cases that you intervene in?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have questions about the specifics of what will be in the bill. Do you intend that the bill will address the need of care-experienced people for lifelong support?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

We have heard about the extent to which staff are going out of their way to do everything that they can, and I, too, thank them for everything that they are doing.

Unison has said that staff are working evenings, taking work home and burning out, which is not an environment that is conducive to a trauma-informed approach. What does the minister think about that? What engagement has she had with the trade unions, and will she commit to engaging with them on the workforce plan on the Promise?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Okay. That would be helpful, given that the outcomes for looked-after children and young people in education, which were published last year without much attention being drawn to them—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I hope that the bill has progressed slightly further than the point of suggesting new areas to be included. We used to have 21 virtual schools in Scotland; I think that we have 18 now, so there has been a reduction, but they have been shown to be quite successful in relation to outcomes for care-experienced people. Does the minister feel that it would be appropriate to include something on that in the bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

To be honest, I do not doubt your commitment in respect of those examples, and it is helpful to recognise them. Nonetheless, the reality is that we still do not have the structural and systemic change that is necessary to effect the amount of change that is needed for those children and young people. I do not think that anyone could use the word “rushed” when it comes to getting this legislation through—it is taking some time.

I will finish on this. The minister mentioned Sheriff Mackie’s review and other reviews, all of which have taken time. However, the Government must have known that all those things would take time before it marched young people up the hill to tell them that there was going to be a bill, and yet years have passed with no significant change in legislation for them. In fact, Opposition members have been told, about various things, “That will come in the Promise bill”, even when we have tried to amend other bills to ensure that rights for care-experienced people are protected. I just do not think that that is satisfactory, minister.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning, minister. I am quite surprised that we cannot get more detail on what is in the forthcoming bill. People watching this meeting, including care-experienced young people and those in the organisations that have been campaigning for action on the Promise for a long time, will be somewhat disappointed, I think, to hear the minister’s response today.

I want to ask some specific questions about the bill itself before I move on to other areas. This time last year, care-experienced young people told the committee that they had not seen much change as a result of the Promise. Today, we cannot tell them what will be in the Promise bill, and we have heard the oversight board say that the bill could be used as an excuse for delay. What can you say to young people watching this meeting today to reassure them that things are progressing and that their rights will be enshrined in some form of legislation?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Will the bill include anything on virtual schools?