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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Has the minister or the Government explained to you the rationale for the previous position, which was that they would wind you down, or the current position, which is that you will stay until we have gone through a transition period, with the bill now talking about a new version of you?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Which parts of SAAB would need to be replicated in the legislation to preserve what you say is the success of the model?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

As you say, SAAB is an independent group. How could the bill preserve that? Should there be changes to the governance structure of the SFC to take account of it? Should the SFC have a duty to support and engage with a network such as SAAB? Would that be the solution?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Will you tell us a little about your relationship with colleges? How would you characterise that? How do they feed into SAAB’s work?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Is there a mechanism in the bill, or could there be, to better reflect the programmes you have spoken about and to direct attention to them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. Paul, do you have anything to add on that point, from the perspective of your equalities group?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Okay. Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Is there any reason why the bill could not replicate SAAB in the structure that it will put in? It does not do that now, but is there any reason why it could not do that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that.

I want to talk a little bit about the equalities aspects. Paul, you just mentioned the SAAB equalities sub-group, and I will return to that. I will start, however, with a question for Carolyn. Thank you for your evidence, which is very important. What I have heard is that the current system is not serving women well. Should there be duties in the bill to mandate, for example, data on participation and achievement disaggregated by gender and background?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I will ask about some of the powers in the bill around finance, accountability and fair work.

In your submissions, you have all highlighted concern about the SFC’s powers undermining academic freedoms. Everyone has picked up on that point, which we need to consider.

Nicola Jackson, you said that you support financial oversight of post-16 institutions, but that it must be linked to fair work outcomes and public accountability. Mary Senior, your submission highlighted that it is important to ensure that all education providers that receive public funds meet national standards for quality, accountability and employability practices.

With that in mind, my question concerns the proposals that are included in the bill around the monitoring and reporting of matters relating to the financial sustainability of post-16 education bodies. To what extent do you think that the proposed powers could improve the SFC’s ability to identify at-risk institutions, for example, and how might the proposals be further strengthened?